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EnviroLink Forum Community • Ecology • Connection 2015-03-28T10:39:07-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/feed.php?f=3&t=24854 2015-03-28T10:39:07-04:00 2015-03-28T10:39:07-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195582#p195582 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Farmer — Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:39 am


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2015-03-24T13:54:53-04:00 2015-03-24T13:54:53-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195557#p195557 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Johhny Electriglide — Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:54 pm


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2015-03-23T11:40:26-04:00 2015-03-23T11:40:26-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195549#p195549 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Farmer — Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:40 am


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2015-03-22T12:56:30-04:00 2015-03-22T12:56:30-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195546#p195546 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Johhny Electriglide — Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:56 pm


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2015-03-21T10:21:16-04:00 2015-03-21T10:21:16-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195539#p195539 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Farmer — Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:21 am


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2015-03-18T22:50:57-04:00 2015-03-18T22:50:57-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195517#p195517 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> People will sadly have to accept that the jet age is over, the diesel age is over, and all except Gen IV nuclear age is over. All the traveling from suburbs, to three different trash trucks down the street every Friday idiocy, all driven by growth only economics, human over-breeding, and general stupidity with the ignorance from it. Greed and selfishness/self-centeredness, along with over-tolerance, especially of crowds, are all negative ecological traits that were much less 11K yrs. ago.
Some have always wanted to explore, or are unhappy living where they are. Instant communications and fast travel have hooked civilization into an addiction to fossil fuels and industrial output, farming, and transportation. The overpopulation started with the use of the dirty crap, on top of over-tolerance to the noise, choking foul air, towns with fixed agriculture, and even eventual dis-connect with nature. We went to the moon and Voyager is outside the solar system, yet we are virtually trapped in this biosphere on Earth
We can still travel with electric vehicles including solar gliders, electric vehicles and hybrids for a very small emissions average. The return of sails to water travel. More bicycles, and more walking, with jobs and relatives nearby. Of course, the main thing is a vastly reduced population of people who do not travel far. All nutrition filled by local agriculture, with no 400HP diesel help. Even horses have to be limited, or else we'll be knee deep in it.
Eisenhower's Highway System opened it up for family car travel and RVs, to the jammed up freeways of the monstropolises of the USA. Wasting gas at idle (unlike my Mariner). The worst thing was LBJ's growth only economy and stupid immigration change from a great system.
The rich can no longer really have their HGHG blowing yachts and jets, and the middle class can no longer jet around. People must realize the carbon footprint of all they do including the multiplier of child and children going up geometrically.
It's 2 Minutes to Midnight, or the party is almost over, and the hangover will be a killer. #-o :mrgreen:

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2015-03-17T23:02:34-04:00 2015-03-17T23:02:34-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195510#p195510 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> But my pondering is more about the drastic rise in flight as a first holiday choice. Folks here used to take maybe one big trip in a lifetime, now it is common for those same people to take two maybe three trips part way round the world every year. For a handfull of days each, this just does not compute for me.
Each flight by a small family creates more ghg emissions than their collective lives do for the rest of the year.
My wonder is that many of these same people claim to care about all sorts of environmental issues but can not grasp that one choice they might make each year wipes out all the good they have sought to do? It is almost like we seem to have blinders on when the source of environmental destruction is ourselves.
Hope this doesn't come off as a rant I am honestly trying to understand the thought process involved that can justify the harm/benefit ratio of such travel for those that are aware of their impact.

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2015-03-17T21:28:53-04:00 2015-03-17T21:28:53-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195508#p195508 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]>
Humans are like that; places we haven;t been call to us.

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2015-03-17T05:21:58-04:00 2015-03-17T05:21:58-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195505#p195505 <![CDATA[Re: Our Collective Travel Obession]]> Statistics: Posted by Dingo — Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:21 am


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2015-03-16T22:10:27-04:00 2015-03-16T22:10:27-04:00 http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24854&p=195499#p195499 <![CDATA[Our Collective Travel Obession]]> In my opinion this is one of the worst GHG contributors,for a number of reasons, but my thoughts were mostly about the reasons behind why so many people are flying these days.
Are people searching for something missing in their lives, family connection and social interaction perhaps? Or is it something else? I know there has been a big push to get people accustomed to this while they are still in school but that does not explain the whole situation.
Many of the people I know including those who self identify as environmentalists fly on a regular basis. This just makes no sence to me.
Any thoughts?

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