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My understanding is that on this forum two sentences are the maximum that one is allowed to quote from any single source. Reading the Israeli Airstrikes/Hamas Rocket Attacks thread, I've noticed several copyrighted quotes which are up to a few paragraphs - seven sentences long. I've sent a copy of this post to Josh Knauer already, but I am posting this here also because I think that forum rules should apply to all members equally and I like the openness.

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First two violations of copyright policy are by Donnie Mac Lead on this post bellow. They are both on the first post of page seven on the Israeli Airstrikes/Hamas Rocket Attacks thread here. In both of these copyrighted quotations, Donnie Mac Lead is quoting more than two sentences.

First of these two violations is exactly two paragraphs long quotation of 5 sentences and the second is three paragraphs consisting of 7 sentences from clearly copyrighted CBS News, 60 Minutes.

As I recall, this is not the first time Donnie has violated this rule. Not very long ago another user has reported this same violation on several of Donnie Mac Lead's posts. You can see the thread where this was reported here.

Donnie Mac Leod wrote:
Also of note from a latter lecture proven to be true by Arafat's death as he left a bank account that would be the envy of 99.9 % of the world's people.

Quote:
http://www.theacorn.com/News/2002/0502/Faith/088.html

According to Farah, nearby Arab nations criticize Israel, but do nothing for Palestinian refugees. In Lebanon, for instance, Palestinian Arabs aren’t allowed to own property, to comply with a law passed by Parliament. Arab neighbors don’t allow Palestinians to settle in their countries to fan the flames of hatred toward Israel.

"Israel has bent over backwards to accommodate Palestinian Arabs since 1948," he said. U.S. aid earmarked to help Palestinians, he said, has been squandered or socked away into Swiss Bank accounts by Arafat.


Arafat was to the Palestinians what both Goebbels & Hitler were to the 1939 to 45 Germans. He was their propaganda chief & leader both. He was also bilking the Palestinians of billions of dollars and his ill conceived propaganda machinery is still in place because his propaganda built on falsehoods still is offered by the people he DUPED.



Quote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/ ... 2487.shtml

Did he steal from his own people?

"He defines himself as being the embodiment of the Palestinian people," Ross answers. "So what's good for him is good for them. Did they benefit? The answer is no. Did they lose? The answer is yes."

Palestinians certainly paid dearly for something else Fayyad uncovered: a system of monopolies in commodities -- like flour and cement -- that Arafat handed out to his cronies, who then turned around and fleeced the public.




The same article points out Arafat the propaganda chief & Palestinian leader died with billions in bank accounts scattered around the world and investments in companies like coca cola.


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Again, in these two posts bellow Donnie Mac Lead is quoting more than two sentences from a) Wikipedia and then from b) WorldNetDaily. These violation are on the tenth and the fiftheenth post down on this page.

a)
Donnie Mac Leod wrote:
Hello Dogbreath. You might also like to read the second article which Farah wrote after writing the first one with such candor & honest reflection upon his own History. He wrote it on Oct 23rd ,2000 ,after the first one was released to the press on Oct 11th 2000.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=15073

This alone should demonstrate conclusively to any non-biased observer that the troubles in the Middle East today will not be solved by the creation of a "Palestinian state." It's time to point out to those who do not yet know that the leader of this movement -- Arafat -- is not a "Palestinian" at all. Indeed, he was born in Egypt.


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Donnie Mac Leod wrote:
Muhammad never even hit the bottom of his grave before his successors declared war on the Infidels.

Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate

After Muhammad's death in 632, the Medinan Ansar were debating who -among them- should succeed prophet Muhammad in running the affairs of the Muslims while the household of the prophet was busy in the burial of the prophet. 'Umar (who is from Quraish) and Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah pledged their loyalty to Abu Bakr, with the Ansar and Quraish soon following suit. Abu Bakr thus became the first Khalifa Rasul Allah (Successor of the Messenger of God), and embarked on campaigns to propagate the Muslim Religion and Deliver the Message of God.


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Three more violations of copyright rule, all on the Israeli Airstrikes/Hamas Rocket Attack thread:

a) Thirteenth post from the top on page 6.

dog breath wrote:
for anyone truly interested in a balanced look at the situation, check out this link...

Quote:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21788.htm

Chomsky: Undermining Gaza

By Sameer Dossani "Foreign Policy In Focus -- January 16, 2009

Editor: Emily Schwartz Greco

DOSSANI: The Israeli government and many Israeli and U.S. officials claim that the current assault on Gaza is to put an end to the flow of Qassam rockets from Gaza into Israel. But many observers claim that if that were really the case, Israel would have made much more of an effort to renew the ceasefire agreement that expired in December, which had all but stopped the rocket fire. In your opinion, what are the real motivations behind the current Israeli action?


b) Fourth post from the top on page 5.

dog breath wrote:
Quote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 99401.html

...Although Israel is sometimes described as an American client state, which receives huge financial subsidy from Washington, she is unique as a client state: she can do exactly as she likes in the knowledge that she will never be seriously restrained by her sponsor. Even when the White House is privately irritated by Israeli actions, Congress is absolutely reliable, never knowingly outbid in its unswerving loyalty. During the bombardment of Lebanon in the summer of 2006, the House of Representatives passed a resolution of total solidarity with Israel by 410 votes to eight, and the Senate has just passed another on a hand vote, not even bothering to take a formal tally.


c) Eleventh post from the top on page 4.

dog breath wrote:
Quote:

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_11409100

Occupation of Palestine the root cause of conflict
“In November I traveled to the occupied Palestinian Territories with two fellow Utahns. Our purpose was to witness first hand the current situation in Israel and Palestine and to attend a peace and justice conference...
I applied for a permit to visit Gaza well ahead of my visit. I had planned to take a donation to the Episcopal Church's Hospital in Gaza and discuss with them how our group here in Utah might help... “


and perhaps the UN might know what its talking about?

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Of course, you could always report the post itself with a note attached, but this way works too. Thanks. Offending posts have been removed. If I've missed any, please be sure to let us know.

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Fosgate wrote:
Of course, you could always report the post itself with a note attached, but this way works too. Thanks. Offending posts have been removed. If I've missed any, please be sure to let us know.


You're welcome. I did not want EnviroLink to get in trouble.

You've only missed 3 posts. Not bad. I've flagged these three missed offending posts with some (not very clear) explanations, but I am posting them here anyway. I've made the quotations which contain more than two sentences in red. Last post actually has at least 4 quotations, which I believe is against forum rules also.

1. You have missed this post which is fifth from the top of the page 5 (violation quote contains 3 long sentences).

dog breath wrote:
Quote:
I know why they get a hard time yet those same people don't seem to bat much of an eye when it comes to terrorists and will put up with much more from them.


one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. US involvement around the world will tell you that. Look at the history of the Taliban and Bin Laden, they were trained and funded by the USA , to fight the Soviets in Apghanistan... they would have been 'freedom fighters' now they are terrorists. How have they actually changed other than who they are fighting? I do not support hamas, but I do support the Palestinian people who have been denied basic human rights and dignity in their own homeland...which was taken from them.

Did you ever wonder why Israel does what it does and the UN can not stop them, even though there have been many dozen attempts over the years...the US protects them on the world stage. Recent actions by the President of Israel, Olmert, should give you cause for concern...see links below...either he does have the sway he claims which should make the hair on your neck stand up, or alternately, he's mad (which is not a good thing either in a leader running a war like this...)...

Quote:
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/olme ... gaza-vote/

Olmert Brags About Embarrassing Rice in UN Gaza Vote

Israeli Prime Minister Demanded Bush Halt Lecture to Stop Gaza Truce Vote

Posted January 12, 2009

Taking a short break from lashing out at the international media for reporting the growing civilian death toll in the Gaza Strip, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert spoke in detail about the events leading up to the US abstention from the United Nations Security Council’s vote on the Gaza Strip ceasefire...


http://www.antiwar.com/ips/luban.php?articleid=14061

Olmert's Claims Revive Israel Lobby Controversy

by Daniel Luban
The U.S. State Department fiercely denied claims made by Ehud Olmert about his influence over President George W. Bush, in an incident that has stirred up old debates about the role of the Israeli government and the so-called "Israel lobby" in formulating Middle East policy in Washington...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 99401.html

...Although Israel is sometimes described as an American client state, which receives huge financial subsidy from Washington, she is unique as a client state: she can do exactly as she likes in the knowledge that she will never be seriously restrained by her sponsor. Even when the White House is privately irritated by Israeli actions, Congress is absolutely reliable, never knowingly outbid in its unswerving loyalty. During the bombardment of Lebanon in the summer of 2006, the House of Representatives passed a resolution of total solidarity with Israel by 410 votes to eight, and the Senate has just passed another on a hand vote, not even bothering to take a formal tally.




2. Then there are this post on page 4, fourth from the bottom (4 sentences).


dog breath wrote:
and this , one more for the road...it was Israel, not Hamas, who broke this ceasefire, they did it in November by raiding across the border and killing 6 people...why? doesn't matter, it was a violation of the ceasefire...but Hamas is being blamed for starting all this by breaking the ceasfire 2 weeks ago...that's Bull...

Quote:
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=14206&aid=19

CNN Reports Israel Broke The Cease Fire
Israel broke the cease fire in November. This video clip recounts the series of events and puts the blame on Israel. So one should ask, why is the media saying HAMAS broke the cease fire? Why would they lie?



3. And this one also on page 4, fifth from the bottom of that page. (4 sentences).


dog breath wrote:
rpedog wrote:
The ‘Oldest Hatred’

In Toronto, anti-Israel demonstrators yell “You are the brothers of pigs!”, and a protester complains to his interviewer that “Hitler didn’t do a good job.”

In Fort Lauderdale, Palestinian supporters sneer at Jews, “You need a big oven, that’s what you need!”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Zj ... M1YjU2Zjc=


not nice,not nice at all. but do you ever stop to consider where this anger comes from? its not genetic or inherent in their culture. Its because of what's been happening to Palestinians in Palestine for the last 60 odd years...by every international standard, Israel is committing war crimes right now and has for 60 years. Yes Hamas also commit war crimes, but that does not excuse the government and military of israel for what they have been doing. read up on it...I have posted here a few more interesting links for you...

just as you can find Arabs spewing hatred for Jews (when this should be focused on Israel , not on Jews in general), you will find Jews spewing the same sentiments about palestinians. that is a two way street....If you look around the internet you will find jewish critics of Israel's behaviour, you will find christian churches, law societies, labour unions, etc....and the UN, criticising it...

try this one for example, and its not limited to Arabs in this case...this is a 'settler' (where is he settling???).
Quote:
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6595

Drunken Israeli ‘settler’ threatening British film crew…


this one is open to interpretation but I linked it as it was posted...

Quote:

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/isra ... -killings/

Israeli Sightseers Flock to Border to Watch Gaza Killings
Picnicking on Hill Overlooking Gaza, Israelis Engage in World's Creepiest Spectator Sport


and even your fellow, christian americans, can see what's happening for what it is...
Quote:

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_11409100

Occupation of Palestine the root cause of conflict
“In November I traveled to the occupied Palestinian Territories with two fellow Utahns. Our purpose was to witness first hand the current situation in Israel and Palestine and to attend a peace and justice conference...
I applied for a permit to visit Gaza well ahead of my visit. I had planned to take a donation to the Episcopal Church's Hospital in Gaza and discuss with them how our group here in Utah might help... “


and perhaps the UN might know what its talking about?

Quote:
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 83968.html

UN watchdog condemns war on Gaza

A resolution condemning Israel's military offensive in Gaza has been adopted by the UN Human Rights Council.
The non-binding resolution, approved in Geneva on Monday, said Israel's operation had "resulted in massive violations of human rights of the Palestinian people".


this is not an 'eye for an eye' or justifiable self defence...its like beating someone to death for trying to take your seat on the bus...its hugely disproportionate, and its war crimes...

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