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Author:  arc108 [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Josh re thread removal and forumkilling by Wayne

I wish to object that Wayne merged my seal thread which
antedated the other seal thread....my thread had 10 times the replies and
10 times the views... so that my action suggestions
were hidden at the end of a thread

if he wants to merge threads, (a forumkiller by the way)
the first thread should have the lead

at least 3 of my threads have disappeared...
after someone spammed my vegan recipes thread with
a jerky recipe, the mission was accomplished.. for this gave
Wayne a fraudulent handle on which to remove my thread of 100,000
vegan recipes

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Josh, re removal of Canadian boycott thread

arc108 wrote:
I wish to object that Wayne removed my seal thread which
antedated the other seal thread....my thread had 10 times the replies and
10 times the views... so that my action suggestions
were hidden at the end of a thread


Two threads on the very same subject of the seal hunt, with a third new thread on seals. The two were combined into the older thread and no posts were removed, except one with an overly large picture that skewed the view of the whole thread.

Added: I just checked and Arc's action suggestions are on the first page of the thread. Duplicate post of the same material in a new thread on seal harvest was deleted, however. It contained a very large picture that skewed the view of the thread as well.

Author:  arc108 [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:14 pm ]
Post subject: 

Josh I'd like you to respond about this..

my post was the 1st post
my post had10 times the pages
my post had 10 times the replies
my post had 10 times the views

I was not given the courtesy of an email or a board notification about this before the thread
was removed

With the banning of xveganx, and other ARA's
have their been any bans of the cabal of sealclubbers this
forum has attracted?

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:19 pm ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
Josh I'd like you to respond about this..

my post was the 1st post
my post had the most pages

I was not given any courtesy about this before the thread
was removed


The thread was not removed it was merged, your post is on the first page just as it would have been if that thread had been merged with yours. The ONLY difference would have been the title of the thread. Two threads of multiple pages on the same subject was becoming confusing.

I am sure Josh will respond when he gets time, but he has more important issues at the moment, until then you will have to settle for my response or that of one of the other moderators.

Author:  arc108 [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:54 am ]
Post subject: 

it is not surprising Wayne that you think that what Josh does elsewhere
is more important than the worldwide campaign by tens of millions
of people to stop
the murderous clubbing of innocent seals


You have the option of putting my post first in the thread...
as it was on the board...

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:20 pm ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
it is not surprising Wayne that you think that what Josh does elsewhere
is more important than the worldwide campaign by tens of millions
of people to stop
the murderous clubbing of innocent seals


You have the option of putting my post first in the thread...
as it was on the board...


No, I do not have that option to my knowledge, the merge function puts the posts into the thread in the order in which they were posted, which would be first by date and then by time of day. The only option I had was the title of the thread at the time. I would be happy to rename the thread for you if it makes you feel any better, but I cannot change the order of posts without deleting the prior posts and there is no justification for that action, IMO.

Author:  dog breath [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:57 pm ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
Josh I'd like you to respond about this..

my post was the 1st post
my post had10 times the pages
my post had 10 times the replies
my post had 10 times the views

I was not given the courtesy of an email or a board notification about this before the thread
was removed

With the banning of phantomuk, xveganx, and other ARA's
have their been any bans of the cabal of sealclubbers this
forum has attracted?


hasn't Archer been put in the penalty box too? From what I have read the ARA's in question, there really being only 2 (are there others?), that were banned, earned that distinction with their specific behaviour. I would be shocked if it turned out the Josh has a bias towards the seal clubbing cabal!!

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:13 pm ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
With the banning of phantomuk, xveganx, and other ARA'shave their been any bans of the cabal of sealclubbers this
forum has attracted?


This habit of going back and adding things to prior posts is difficult with which to deal.

There have been 4 or 5 banned posters, depending on the definition of poster, in my knowledge of the whole history of the board. They have been from both camps. The bulk dealt with one family unit, justified by the violation of the rules we all agree to by signing up with the forum. There have been other justifications along the way but, for the most part we have tried repeatedly to keep form having anyone banned. That was the reason for the short-term suspension. The violation of this suspension was the reason for the banning of Sweetpea and Xveganx, as would have been the case with Archer had he tried to by-pass the suspension. The difference is that he has not made that attempt, to our knowledge. If he had I am sure he would have been banned as well. The suspension and banning is the result of the actions of the poster rather than their views on any given subject. The key purpose for this forum is to allow all views to be presented within the restrictions of the rules. I assume that everyone can understand the rules and follow them especially when there are moderators here to remind them.

Author:  Sandra John [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:12 am ]
Post subject: 

Wayne Stollings wrote:
arc108 wrote:
it is not surprising Wayne that you think that what Josh does elsewhere
is more important than the worldwide campaign by tens of millions
of people to stop
the murderous clubbing of innocent seals


You have the option of putting my post first in the thread...
as it was on the board...


No, I do not have that option to my knowledge, the merge function puts the posts into the thread in the order in which they were posted, which would be first by date and then by time of day. The only option I had was the title of the thread at the time. I would be happy to rename the thread for you if it makes you feel any better, but I cannot change the order of posts without deleting the prior posts and there is no justification for that action, IMO.


Renaming was what I was going to suggest and the new name should reflect both old titles.

Arc, if as Wayne said the merge function merges posts in the order they were posted they should be in good ordr. Do you still see a problem?

Author:  Ante Bozanich [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:05 am ]
Post subject: 

Sandra John wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
arc108 wrote:
it is not surprising Wayne that you think that what Josh does elsewhere
is more important than the worldwide campaign by tens of millions
of people to stop
the murderous clubbing of innocent seals


You have the option of putting my post first in the thread...
as it was on the board...


No, I do not have that option to my knowledge, the merge function puts the posts into the thread in the order in which they were posted, which would be first by date and then by time of day. The only option I had was the title of the thread at the time. I would be happy to rename the thread for you if it makes you feel any better, but I cannot change the order of posts without deleting the prior posts and there is no justification for that action, IMO.


Renaming was what I was going to suggest and the new name should reflect both old titles.

Arc, if as Wayne said the merge function merges posts in the order they were posted they should be in good order. Do you still see a problem?


Sorry I have not noticed this sooner. Chronologically speaking I did start the thread about horrible seal hunt first. Arc108 thread had a lot more posts and viewings. I will, if nobody objects edit the thread. I will give it Arc108 title. You have to tell me what it was. I would also state in my introductory post whatever is agreed to be said regarding giving Arc108 credit etc.

Author:  Sandra John [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:53 am ]
Post subject: 

Nt-Spcssm wrote:
Sandra John wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
arc108 wrote:
it is not surprising Wayne that you think that what Josh does elsewhere
is more important than the worldwide campaign by tens of millions
of people to stop
the murderous clubbing of innocent seals


You have the option of putting my post first in the thread...
as it was on the board...


No, I do not have that option to my knowledge, the merge function puts the posts into the thread in the order in which they were posted, which would be first by date and then by time of day. The only option I had was the title of the thread at the time. I would be happy to rename the thread for you if it makes you feel any better, but I cannot change the order of posts without deleting the prior posts and there is no justification for that action, IMO.


Renaming was what I was going to suggest and the new name should reflect both old titles.

Arc, if as Wayne said the merge function merges posts in the order they were posted they should be in good order. Do you still see a problem?


Sorry I have not noticed this sooner. Chronologically speaking I did start the thread about horrible seal hunt first. Arc108 thread had a lot more posts and viewings. I will, if nobody objects edit the thread. I will give it Arc108 title. You have to tell me what it was. I would also state in my introductory post whatever is agreed to be said regarding giving Arc108 credit etc.


Thank you NT. Would that solve the problem arc? Perhaps NT you could PM arc and arrange something satisfactory?

Author:  arc108 [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:33 pm ]
Post subject: 

i don't want credit, NS I simply want that the list of actions
to take which i worked on not be buried in the middle of someone
else's thread... my thread was begun 1st... despite what wayne says

the most successful forums (in terms of membership and views)
do not merge threads... threadmerge is a controlling thing to do

how do you know that yours was started first if my thread was
deleted? i manage a forum with exactly the same software
... i remember when your thread appeared...

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:19 pm ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
i don't want credit, NS I simply want that the list of actions to take which i worked on not be buried in the middle of someone
else's thread... my thread was begun 1st... despite what wayne says

the most successful forums (in terms of membership and views)
do not merge threads... threadmerge is a controlling thing to do

how do you know that yours was started first if my thread was
deleted? i manage a forum with exactly the same software
... i remember when your thread appeared...


Your thread was not deleted it was merged so the posts were kept in the same order as they were originally posted. This means we have proof of the order. For example your first post, which you claim was first was posted : Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:36 am as is shown here:

http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtop ... 1227#31227

While NT's first post was posted Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:30 pm which is over 15 hours earlier as is shown here:

http://www.envirolink.org/forum/viewtop ... 1128#31128

The thread were merged because they were on the exact same subject and there were three threads on the subject of seals at the same time. It was getting confusing for people as to which thread they were in. It was a means by which the board could be maintained with less confusion.

Just because a poster may want their thread to be the first does not give them any particular right to that position, especially when there was a prior thread on the same subject.

Author:  Ante Bozanich [ Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:50 am ]
Post subject: 

arc108 wrote:
i don't want credit, NS I simply want that the list of actions
to take which i worked on not be buried in the middle of someone
else's thread... my thread was begun 1st... despite what wayne says

the most successful forums (in terms of membership and views)
do not merge threads... threadmerge is a controlling thing to do

how do you know that yours was started first if my thread was
deleted? i manage a forum with exactly the same software
... i remember when your thread appeared...


I agree with you. I think this is one more attempt to discredit and divide ARA and the AL (radical animal welfarisam) by animal pro use and exploitation element. I think booth of us would agree that this forum has been taken over by their agents. I wouldn't be surprised at all if many characters here are working for National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA).

Ante

Author:  Mr. Venom [ Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:29 am ]
Post subject: 

Nt-Spcssm wrote:
arc108 wrote:
i don't want credit, NS I simply want that the list of actions
to take which i worked on not be buried in the middle of someone
else's thread... my thread was begun 1st... despite what wayne says

the most successful forums (in terms of membership and views)
do not merge threads... threadmerge is a controlling thing to do

how do you know that yours was started first if my thread was
deleted? i manage a forum with exactly the same software
... i remember when your thread appeared...


I agree with you. I think this is one more attempt to discredit and divide ARA and the AL (radical animal welfarisam) by animal pro use and exploitation element. I think booth of us would agree that this forum has been taken over by their agents. I wouldn't be surprised at all if many characters here are working for National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA).

Ante


You assume entirely too much. The two threads were merged because they were of the EXACT SAME CONTENT..why have two of them,and then a third? It got confusing to users trying to keep up with both threads. Arc is just mad because he didn't get pushed to the front of the line. For some strange reason Arc thinks that his thread was deleted,but it wasn't.

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