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Everyone's point of view is valid for them, but not the basis for a factual statement. Grace is more than wlecome to present her opinion WITHIN the rules of this board as are you and everyone else. If she or anyone else cannot follow those rules they will have to find another forum for their fighting. Josh has been very clear this is a DISCUSSION forum and if one cannot maintain a discussion without resorting to a street fight they need to work on thier interpersonal skills elsewhere.

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Speaking for myself what you say is reasonable and acceptable.
So...if Grace comes back the back-biting will stop ? After all it means street fighting as you put it applies to one's replies to postings as well as the posters themselves...right ?

In the history of this board the most graphic inages usuially have come from those supporting the AR view in the attempt to prove the abuse they claim happens. We generally have tried to keep that to a minimum in any case, but if you know of any such images I would be happy to take a look at them to be sure. We have moderators to moderate, which means we try to keep things which are offensive to a minimum, but we cannot remove all possible offensive material because someone will always be offended by something. That is why we have a group of moderators so that we may discuss such issues and determine the more reasonable set of actions if there is a question. Some cases there are no questions and we can act more quickly. The case of copyright violations or spam posts for example are generally easy. We did leave one spam thread becuase it was actually a beneficial spam and generated some real discussion, but that decision had to go to Josh for the final word. It is Josh's forum and responsibility so we deal with his rules, which I believe are reasonable and as evenly applied as any forum you will visit. If we get a valid complaint of a rules violation we will, within reason and our guidance form Josh, apply those rules to all involved. Sometimes the enforcement is tightened up because of increasing abuse and sometimes we are allowed a bit more lattitude, but if there is a complaint it is investigated. If anyone feels they have been wrongly treated they can contact the other modes, but they probalby already know from our notice board, or they can leave feedback for the forum in the appropriate forum. I believe Josh has already made himself clear on this, but if there is any new discussion on the rules or enforecement it should go to the appropriate feed back forum. at this point.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

I cannot say there will be no back -biting, but there will be no fights as we have seen in the past. Grace has been baited into fights in the past and has done her share of baiting as well. The rules have been applied as evenly as possible, regardless of her personal belief to the contrary. For example, her complaints over avatars went to the extreme in her emotional belief of what may or may not have happened before or after a picture was taken. I understand she is an overly emotional person and that has been taken into consdieration in dealing with her. Some of those with which she disagrees sees that as preferential treatment at times just as she sees the similar considerations given those people as preferential treatment. In fact I know I am doing my job as a moderator when everyone is unhappy with me because I have not givne them the thought they are getting treated better than anyone else.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Wayne...I posted a reply to you which follows. Suddenly it disappeared and I thought I was having a ' senior moment ' only to find you had moved some items to this topic.

My reply was...

I cannot remember the member who posted the graphic images but the ' artwork ' was in the main of screaming animals !I have had a quick search without luck. Someone will remember.

Sorry about that, the artwork sounds like something Ante might have done or one of the other AR posters. If it was it was some time in the past and not really covered by the new setr of rules we have listed. the rules were updated and the links reinstalled with the return of this style of forum template. The enforcement was clearly indicated to start with that new baseline and to that end AL tried to give friendly notice before any official actions were taken. I do not know how we could have been any more clear on that aspect.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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Do the non-moderators have any say as to what they think appropriate for this forum, or do a select few get to act on their own particular judgements ?
This is not criticism...just a question.

The forum now is more pleasant...but less exciting !

Yes, and it will again get more exciting and less pleasant in the future, I am sure. We just have to keep the pendulum from hitting the extremes at either end of the spectrum.

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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Why mention just Grace ?

Ok AL, just to put the record straight, I'll defend ANYONE who I think is being singled out for unfairness. That is my way.
From the sidelines, you get a good idea of what is going on in a ' game ' , more than the players.
If people don't like me defending (not protecting) anyone then tough !

So let's move on .