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WeatherBell CFSv2 now at +0.25 for the month for March. Very little change should be expected over the next couple days.

It's extremely likely GISS comes in with an anomaly above +0.75 for March, and likely that it comes in with an anomaly above +0.80 for March.

An extremely warm start to the year. Even if we follow 2014's temperature anomaly for the rest of the year, we'll still set a new record high.


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It seems this blog disagrees with Milton's blog so if the blogs counter we are left with the ACTUAL PEER-REVIEWED PUBLISHED INFORMATION .....


http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/12/wher ... fails.html

What got the disinformers going was that some denier or other named Mike Wallace decided that the all the world's experts were wrong about ocean acidification. Now Mike Wallace isn't studying ocean acidification, he's got a list of various AGU posters and a some papers on hydrology under his "Professional Biographic information" on his "professional" website - of Mike Wallace & Associates. (I expect his associates are called Mike Wallace and Mike Wallace). Nevertheless, he was sufficiently bold to correspond with Drs Sabine and Feely "over a period of several months". (The good professors must have the patience of saints.) Mike was apparently seeking robust measurements of ocean pH for the entire 20th century. Good luck with that!

I'm having trouble trying to figure out just what the point of the article is. There is reference to a brochure, and 2010 testimony and to an omission of "80 years of data" but where it's omitted from isn't specified. When referring to "Feely's chart", the author might mean this one, in which the pH observations do start in the late 1980s, which would be about right.

The chart came from the BAMS State of the Climate in 2007 report, and the pH and pCO2 data came from the Hawaiian Ocean Time Series. Here is the image from the BAMS report:


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Look again at the data above, particularly for the period 1900 to 1929 and the period to 1949 and then ask yourself how Mike Wallace put together this chart and managed to keep a straight face.

It makes you wonder who's trying to fool who. Mike's managed to get a global average when there were almost no pH measurements at all. Heck, some years he wasn't even able to put in any number from anywhere in the ocean at all yet he still found a global trend. It reminds me of those rather awful charts of CO2 measurements that deniers try to flog on the unwary from time to time.

No thanks, Mike Wallace and Anthony Watts. I'll stick to what the experts are finding. And if you want more direct observations, say of the North Pacific Ocean - look no further.

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