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The points raised in this thread are addressed in the NAS final report.


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I have revised my views slightly since I began this thread.

A decrease in Cloud Cover is responsible for most of the warming over the last 30 years and last century, and this decrease in Cloud Cover is directly tied to solar activity variations through solar wind variations inflicting changes on GCRs.

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support this viewpoint.

Let's start with nine peer reviewed studies that document that the sun was a likely driver of the 20th Century Warming.


Palle Bago and Butler 2001, using many formulas they derived in their earlier, 2000 paper, calculated that the solar effects, directly and indirectly, caused 0.5 Degrees C of the 0.55 Degree C warming. This means that they found that 91% of the warming over the past 100 years can be explained by solar variability, directly and indirectly alone. They mention that there is a "possibility" that solar attribution could be less during the most recent decades, but they are not definite with this statement. They simply state that the solar contribution an unknown over the last and most recent decades. This probably has to do with the ACRIM and PMOD TSI Composites and the controversy surrounding these datasets which Scafetta 2009 documents.

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Georgieva et. al 2005 used the Geomagnetic AA Index to quantify the solar impact on Climate Change, rather than the sunspot number, because using the sunspot number to quantify the solar contribution to climate change, as many studies do, leads to an underestimation of the Solar impact on Climate Change.


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The above figure from Georgieva et. al shows the Geomagentic AA Index with the broken line, and the Global Temperature Anomalies with the solid line. They find that the correlation coefficient between the AA Index and Global Temperatures is 0.85, meaning that the sun can explain 85% of the variances in temperatures over the last ~150 years.



Cliver et. al 1998 also used the Geomagnetic AA Index to estimate the solar contribution to climate change.


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Above figure: From Cliver et. al 1998. The AA Index is the dotted line, and the solid line are the temperature anomalies.

They found that 50-100% of the warming could be due to the sun, but it should be noted that this analysis does not include other factors like volcanic activity and anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions when estimating the total contribution. Nonetheless, this study also shows that other studies which do include these factors are only at the lower end of the 50-100% range for the solar contribution over the last 100-150 years. It also supports other studies with a larger solar contribution to climate change because of the remarkable correlation with the AA Index and temperatures.



Solheim et. al 2012 found that the solar signal is reinforced by the Atlantic Ocean, and this reinforcing signal in the Atlantic Ocean is calculated to be from 63-72% of the variances in temperatures over the entire timeframe. They get a lower solar contribution to land based stations, but the reinforced signal is probably what would lead to a more accurate solar contribution, since most of the world is covered by oceans, and likely, reinforcing the solar signals.



The box that represents the % solar contribution from Link et. al 2011 actually represents the probability whether the entire trend over the last 100-150 years is natural. The authors calculate that the probability of the warming being caused by solar activity over this entire timeframe is 40-90%. It should be noted that these probabilities go up significantly over shorter timeframes like 1900-1950 and 1960-2005.



Scafetta and West 2008 adresses the uncertainty raised in the first paper. If a TSI curve that shows an upward trend from Solar Cycle 21 to 22 is used from the ACRIM TSI composite rather than the flat PMOD TSI composite, then a higher contribution from the sun would be needed. The authors find that up to 69% of the variances in temperatures can be explained by solar activity.

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The image above from Scafetta and West 2008 shows the divergence between the PMOD and ACRIM TSI datasets, which makes attribution to past climate change even harder. The red curve is the ACRIM TSI composite, the blue curve is the PMOD TSI Composite, and the black curve and green line are the Global Temperature anomalies.



The ACRIM verses PMOD controversy continues in this paper. 50% or more of temperatures can be attributed to the solar forcing, depending if the ACRIM TSI composite is used or not. This further adds on to resolving the uncertainty between the PMOD and ACRIM datasets during the ACRIM Gap.


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The graph above from Scafetta and West 2007 shows the excellent correlation between solar activity and temperatures. It also shows that a large portion of the warming can be attributed to solar activity. Over the last 30 years, a significant portion of the warming can be attributed to solar activity if the ACRIM TSI composite is used.





Ogurstov 2007 estimated that the solar contribution directly and indirectly caused about 0.25-0.35 degrees C of the warming that took place during the 20th Century. Using the Skeptical Science trend calculator gives an approxiate warming of 0.6 Degrees C during the 20th Century. This means that 41-59% of the trend upward can be attributed to solar activity over the past 100 years.



Blanter et. al 2008 found that temperatures correlated remarkably well for all periods between the solar activity indicies and the observed temperatures for stations in Europe and the United States during the 20th Century. They used a finding from a previous study that the temperatures at weather stations correlated remarkably well if they were up to a 1000 km distance from each other. They also state in the abstract that these changes can "possibly" be extended onto a Global scale. Being that they found that solar activity can account for all temperature changes over the 20th Century, I reduced the range slightly from 100% to somwhere in the 90-100% range to account for the anthropogenic forcings.

I will be posting more papers later on this thread that support a natural solar and oceanic cause for recent warming, and not anthropogenic.


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This post will focus on the fact that we don't know enough to fully determine what caused the warming or not.

There are still large uncertainties in climate science that still need to be resolved. Cloud and Water Vapor feedbacks are one of these VERY high uncertainties, as well as temperature attribution over the last 100 or so years.

These honest climate scientists feel that there is so much uncertainty still left, that it is unclear how much of the recent (last 30 years) is natural.

finds that changes in the changes in the SSTs have led to temperature changes over land- not GHGs directly. The oceans themselves have warmed from a combination of natural and anthropogenic causes over the recent warming, they say, but it is unclear which has contributed more than the other.



In its Fourth Assessment Report, 2007, the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) attributes more than
90% of the observed climate warming since 1900 to the rise
of anthropogenic greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (IPCC,
2007). Aerosols and clouds are recognised as representing
the largest uncertainty in the current understanding of climate
change. The IPCC estimates that changes of solar irradiance
(direct solar forcing) have made only a small (7%)
contribution to the observed warming. However, large uncertainties
remain on other solar-related contributions, such
as the effects of changes of ultra-violet (UV) radiation or
galactic cosmic rays on aerosols and clouds




In recent decades, there have been a number of debates on climate warming and its driving forces. Based on an extensive literature review, we suggest that (1) climate warming occurs with great uncertainty in the magnitude of the temperature increase; (2) both human activities and natural forces contribute to climate change, but their relative contributions are difficult to quantify; and (3) the dominant role of the increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases (including CO2) in the global warming claimed by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is questioned by the scientific communities because of large uncertainties in the mechanisms of natural factors and anthropogenic activities and in the sources of the increased atmospheric CO2 concentration. More efforts should be made in order to clarify these uncertainties.

I will have more papers adressing the natural variability and solar aspect of the natural contributors.

To say that the cause is anthropogenic, as claimed by the IPCC, is not scientifically correct, since there remain large uncertainties with natural contributions and the evidence for natural causes as having a significant, and dominant contribution to the late-20th Century warming is VERY high, as well as causing the warming over the last 100-150 years.


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