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[quote="Wayne Stollings"]I was wrong, as 250,000 is a high number of suicides for farmers in India. To reach that total you have to include every suicide past 1997, which is five years before the Bt cotton was introduced. It seems there was some intentional misrepresentation by the anti-GM folks, which really makes me question everything else .... especially when I look into the larger picture.

http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/file ... p00808.pdf

Keep investigating that larger picture because there is one.

"A recent paper from IFPRI, "Bt cotton and Farmer's Suicides in India" ..... covers up the risks ... and is detatched from reality.Yet it is aimed at shaping public opinion about GM crops by using every trick in the trade to separate the impact of of GM crops on farmers from the seed monopoly and the technology of producing non-renewable seeds ...."

http://www.whale.to/b/shiva1.pdf

And, ....

When Bt cotton does well it is "technology". When it does badly, it is blamed on something else. This opportunistic separation is at the heart of IFPRI's false argument that Bt cotton and farmer's suicides are not related. As the IFPRI article which you reference states: "In specific regions and years, where Bt cotton may have indirectly contributed to farmer's indebtedness leading to suicides, it's failure was mainly the result of .... some environmental factor ... in which it was introduced or planted" ... Bt cotton as a technolgy is not to blame." Vendana points out that this argument is askew because all technolgies are embedded in their environments. "There are no disembodied technologies, other than in ideology."

But dig a little more ....

http://i-sis.org.uk/farmersSuicidesBTCottonIndia.php

Some of the "effects of Bt cotton are a resurgence of secondary pests as well as reduced yields of other crops on land cultivated with Bt cotton." (Plagues of mealey bugs).

"A decade of planting with GM cotton or any GM crop with any
Bt genes could lead to total destruction of soil organisms, leading dead soil unable to produce food."

"EVERY farmer is there to make a profit due to hunger or they will not be in business, so they are now bad? It is possible to do both in the real world where real facts are used instead of beliefs and misrepresentations like your source presented."

Farmers are just trying to make a living and support their families, contribute to their communities, build schools for their children. They are not there to "make a profit due to hunger." They are there because the soil and earth has always sustained them. Farmers are not now bad. No.

But they are now crying out for help. They are resisting the colonization of their farmland by corporations who would like to turn their villages into global supermarkets. They are resisting the criminalization of the very simple at of saving seeds. And so am I. What could be more simple?

I was wrong



I'm confused.[/quote]

It seemed the percentage of farmers commiting suicide would not have been off based on the population, [/quote]

That was a joke. Gotcha. [/quote]

What is there to joke about? Where is the 'gotcha" that you somehow got? Got who or what? So transparant as to the pom-poms and cute skirts. Divest yourself of your cheer-leading outfit and truly engage in this discussion. I invite you.

There was an increase/upsurge in farmers' suicides in light of the introduction of GMO's in India. India's farmers have suffered the introduction of Bt cotton. If you would follow the conversation and put aside your pom-poms .... Engage in the conversation and even inform yourself, you might be worth conversing with.

Look at Youtube (a world of education there). Look at "An Evening With Vendana Shiva"

Either that or continue to make light as you like to do. It is fun to crack some jokes, ... , especially when in support of the one ... 'cuz then you don't have to atually think for yourself.

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“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

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With friends like Guido, you will not have enemies for long.

“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein