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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:56 pm 
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The inner workings of a libertarian thinktank working to discredit the established science on climate change have been exposed by a leak of confidential documents detailing its strategy and fundraising networks.

DeSmogBlog, which broke the story, said it had received the confidential documents from an "insider" at the Heartland Institute, which is based in Chicago. The blog monitors industry efforts to discredit climate science.

The scheme includes spending $100,000 for spreading the message in K-12 schools that "the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science", the documents said.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate

The inner workings of a libertarian thinktank working to discredit the established science on climate change have been exposed by a leak of confidential documents detailing its strategy and fundraising networks.

DeSmogBlog, which broke the story, said it had received the confidential documents from an "insider" at the Heartland Institute, which is based in Chicago. The blog monitors industry efforts to discredit climate science.

The scheme includes spending $100,000 for spreading the message in K-12 schools that "the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science", the documents said.


Just a comment: From reading the article and watching the video, it is apparent that these people actually believe that global warming is not caused by human activity and that it is and will be the developing nations who will suffer the most because of policies directed at slowing or reversing climate change. I mean .... it seems that these folks REALLY believe that. So, because they have this actual belief, it is no suprise that they would commit $$$$ to curriculum and have some paid salaries on their rosters. Apart from the $100,000 for curriculum development, the sums paid to employees amount to not much at all.

Another comment: David Suzuki, Greenpeace, and 'others' have already exposed the Heartland Institute for having their particular brand of propoganda funded by Exxon and other companies who have a vested interest in keeping their industries thriving. So this news is not particularly fresh. It's more of an update than it is "new" news.

But this particular conference was not funded by Exxon. .....

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The papers indicate that discrediting established climate science remains a core mission of the organisation, which has received support from a network of wealthy individuals – including the Koch oil billionaires as well as corporations such as Microsoft and RJR Tobacco.


I can see why Koch oil would want to fund Heartland, but why would Microsoft have an interest? And tobacco? What are your insights/thoughts about these parties ..... aside from the fact that it could be that these people also have a genuine distrust for the science?


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate

The inner workings of a libertarian thinktank working to discredit the established science on climate change have been exposed by a leak of confidential documents detailing its strategy and fundraising networks.

DeSmogBlog, which broke the story, said it had received the confidential documents from an "insider" at the Heartland Institute, which is based in Chicago. The blog monitors industry efforts to discredit climate science.

The scheme includes spending $100,000 for spreading the message in K-12 schools that "the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science", the documents said.


Just a comment: From reading the article and watching the video, it is apparent that these people actually believe that global warming is not caused by human activity and that it is and will be the developing nations who will suffer the most because of policies directed at slowing or reversing climate change. I mean .... it seems that these folks REALLY believe that. So, because they have this actual belief, it is no suprise that they would commit $$$$ to curriculum and have some paid salaries on their rosters. Apart from the $100,000 for curriculum development, the sums paid to employees amount to not much at all.


Only if they are totally clueless, which is not the case. They have a very significant vested interest in presenting the case of confusion and thus preventing any action which impacts their interests. Some of the same players in this were involved with similar programs undertaken by the tobacco industry to raise doubt and prevent the actions which have come to pass concerning the health impacts of the products.

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Another comment: David Suzuki, Greenpeace, and 'others' have already exposed the Heartland Institute for having their particular brand of propoganda funded by Exxon and other companies who have a vested interest in keeping their industries thriving. So this news is not particularly fresh. It's more of an update than it is "new" news.


Direct eividence that connects the money to the actions is hard to acquire and many of the conservative groups are even now claiming this was manufactured to "cripple" the attempts by these groups to present their claimed "truths".

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But this particular conference was not funded by Exxon. .....

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The papers indicate that discrediting established climate science remains a core mission of the organisation, which has received support from a network of wealthy individuals – including the Koch oil billionaires as well as corporations such as Microsoft and RJR Tobacco.


There was no "conference" referenced in the quote, but some of the varied funding sources for the different programs they undertook for the special interests.

http://heartland.org/sites/default/files/(7-25-2011)%20Lehrer%20on%20Tobacco%20Taxes.pdf

July 2011
Five Things to Consider
Before Raising Tobacco Taxes:
A Review of the Research

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I can see why Koch oil would want to fund Heartland, but why would Microsoft have an interest? And tobacco?


The Institute does not deal solely with climate change issues, although it is one of the core items on which it focuses.

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What are your insights/thoughts about these parties ..... aside from the fact that it could be that these people also have a genuine distrust for the science?


Many of the scientists supported by Heartland worked for the tobacco industry in the attempts to delay any governmental control of health impacts, hold other unusual positions regarding science, or have confirmed price tags for their support. There was an offer of $10,000.00 for any reputable scienitst who published a paper critical of the Climate Change position at one time. I know of none who took that offer.

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