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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:05 pm 
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http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-dou ... -documents


Clever, aren't they? =;

These folk are falling faster then a lead blimp....


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:50 pm 
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http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20120 ... col?page=2


Does Heartland even check the resumes of the people working for them?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:44 pm 
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The Heartland case sort of backfired on the Proponents when it was revealed that one of the scientists supporting their cause (Gleick) was found to have stolen them.

The document that was most incriminating, the 2012 Climate Strategy Document turned out to be a fake as well.

What it shows, is that there is dishonesty on both sides of the debate, with skeptics and proponents alike resorting to stolen documents to try and prove their points.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:42 pm 
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The Heartland case sort of backfired on the Proponents when it was revealed that one of the scientists supporting their cause (Gleick) was found to have stolen them.


Did you miss the part where Heartland tried the same thing with Greenpeace and failed?

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The document that was most incriminating, the 2012 Climate Strategy Document turned out to be a fake as well.


That was the claim, but whether that claim was factual has not been determined.

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What it shows, is that there is dishonesty on both sides of the debate, with skeptics and proponents alike resorting to stolen documents to try and prove their points.


That it does, but then again sometimes one has to fight fire with fire, which would mean Heartland got a Karma slap.

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The admission of getting the documents under false pretenses. Why admit to that and not to modification of a document claimed to be falsified?

In an effort to do so, and in a serious lapse of my own and professional judgment and ethics, I solicited and received additional materials directly from the Heartland Institute under someone else's name. The materials the Heartland Institute sent to me confirmed many of the facts in the original document, including especially their 2012 fundraising strategy and budget. I forwarded, anonymously, the documents I had received to a set of journalists and experts working on climate issues. I can explicitly confirm, as can the Heartland Institute, that the documents they emailed to me are identical to the documents that have been made public. I made no changes or alterations of any kind to any of the Heartland Institute documents or to the original anonymous communication. [emphasis added]

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Heartland Institute sucks, and I'm a green Republican. The "debate" was over a long time ago. What has gone on is criminal delay in doing significant steps in time to stop thermageddon, just like nothing was done to reduce population to prevent the crash when there was still time. Nixon addressed congress about it and Clinton shut down and destroyed good Gen IV plans. GenIVs, solar, wind, and wave/tidal were our way out, not taken until the passage of the CH4 self release from tundra deposits and later to oceanic deposits. All for business as usual economics, feel good trinkets, political correctness, and sinful uncaring greed and stupidity. Ecocidal insanity. #-o =; [-X :-#

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Snowy123 wrote:
The Heartland case sort of backfired on the Proponents when it was revealed that one of the scientists supporting their cause (Gleick) was found to have stolen them.


Did you miss the part where Heartland tried the same thing with Greenpeace and failed?

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The document that was most incriminating, the 2012 Climate Strategy Document turned out to be a fake as well.


That was the claim, but whether that claim was factual has not been determined.

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What it shows, is that there is dishonesty on both sides of the debate, with skeptics and proponents alike resorting to stolen documents to try and prove their points.


That it does, but then again sometimes one has to fight fire with fire, which would mean Heartland got a Karma slap.


Typical case of advocacy organizations clashing heads. Nothing new to see here.

I really do not know why you guys continue to focus on Heartland, when it has absolutely nothing to do with the science surrounding Climate Change at all.

Heartland is now realizing what it's like to get documents stolen. They proudly displayed the Climategate e-mails on their website, but are now crying about their documents getting stolen.

They definitely have a double standard on that issue.

The faked document can easily be proven... just look at the properties of the PDF file for example.

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Snowy123 wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
Snowy123 wrote:
The Heartland case sort of backfired on the Proponents when it was revealed that one of the scientists supporting their cause (Gleick) was found to have stolen them.


Did you miss the part where Heartland tried the same thing with Greenpeace and failed?

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The document that was most incriminating, the 2012 Climate Strategy Document turned out to be a fake as well.


That was the claim, but whether that claim was factual has not been determined.

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What it shows, is that there is dishonesty on both sides of the debate, with skeptics and proponents alike resorting to stolen documents to try and prove their points.


That it does, but then again sometimes one has to fight fire with fire, which would mean Heartland got a Karma slap.


Typical case of advocacy organizations clashing heads. Nothing new to see here.

I really do not know why you guys continue to focus on Heartland, when it has absolutely nothing to do with the science surrounding Climate Change at all.


Really? You do know of the number of "publications" they have which are referenced as "science"? They also fund a lot of the disinformation programs.

http://heartland.org/publications

The Heartland Institute is a prolific publisher of books, booklets, policy studies, policy briefs, and “tip sheets” on the key issues facing America. We also publish Research & Commentary collections that collect the best available information on hot public policy issues and send them to elected officials, often within a day or two of a request. Search for these research materials at PolicyBot, Heartland's massive database of nearly 20,000 documents.

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Heartland is now realizing what it's like to get documents stolen. They proudly displayed the Climategate e-mails on their website, but are now crying about their documents getting stolen.

They definitely have a double standard on that issue.


True.

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The faked document can easily be proven... just look at the properties of the PDF file for example.


Which prove nothing other than confusion actually. The "Pacific Time issue" is laughable since many new computers come set to PST and if they are not changed will remain so.

Why would anyone admit to everything except the manipulation if it had happened? It does not make sense to me.

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