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Everyone loses with CAGW, you won nothing except your own denial.

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Well if you don't like the label climate denier and you set yourself in opposition to something you need a label.
What do you want us to call you snow?

I mean you're not a skeptic in the classical sense are you?

There are plenty of good reasons to be skeptical of AGW and skeptical of mass CAGW.

One of them being that we do not know what Cloud Cover has done over the 20th Century.

So what is it that I am denying besides disagreeing with your opinion?

Other than the number of particles produced being insufficient in number and size to account for the observed effects? Even if they can grow to sufficient size that whole insufficient number really leaves a hole in the hypothesis.

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And the science over the last 150 years in the hopes each and every new straw presented for you to grasp actually has some basis in refuting that existing science.

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Around and around the old arguments go, with the denialists always rehashing very old arguments. (i.e. cloud cover increase was found to have a net positive feedback or temperature rise in an old post here).
Here is a 2010 article based on the the 2009 reports that are no longer here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 06484.html

Of course, things have gotten worse since then. It isn't an opinion, but a fact as HGHGs rise ever higher.

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Well the fact that you can think up reasons not to believe something does not make you a skeptic I could believe that the Royal family are lizard people and not members of the human race, an ex Coventry city goalkeeper believes it, so why shouldn't I?

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Causation from one variable would only track if no other variables changed. That is why correlations with higher numbers of variables is suspect, especially when there is no evidence for a mechanism for the cause.

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Where is there evidence of cause being ignored? It seems you have leaped to a conclusion without sufficient supporting evidence as a "skeptic" while claiming those who do not move from the majority position without some real evidence to support such a move.

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So, you hope it may have done something so the prevailing science can be overturned, but in the interim you will act as if that were the case insted of the following the fact that it has not been supported by the evidence.

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Since I get called a denier for presenting the IPCC's figures and pointing out that there will be no catastrophy from such a minor, erm.. well benefit actually, the act of putting forward a scientifically strong and sceptical view will only get worse responses.

Snowie,

Could you start a new thread to explain the basics of the geomagnetic thing? I am unsure what it's about as it's a bit beyond me unless it's the cosmic ray/cloud formation rate as altered by solar weather. (Is that it??)

It is the historical and mathematical evidence of the problem which you have ignored here. The rapid change in temperature patterns is already showing us signs of significant problems with plants not being able to adapt and pests being able to expand. Not to mention the whole dikes will be easy to build atound the whole ocean systems position. The math on that one is staggering just for one state here in the US.



The hypothesis is the solar output increases and more of the cosmic rays are deflected, the solar output decreases and more of the cosmic rays reach theatmosphere. The rays supposedly cause cloud formation which either cools or insulates the planet affecting temperature. Some of the reconstruction data to support the hypothesis is adjusted significantly, the mechanism is not supported by experimentation, and even some of those doing the specific research admit the effect on the climate is minor. Yet, it is the latest in straws which are supposed to overturn the science known now.

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