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| Author: | Tim the Plumber [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
Your site/blog seems to be interested in solutions. As it happens I don't think that there is a huge catastrophic problem from a little warming but for the goodness of generally doing things better here is my penny's worth; Use volcanic geothermal power. Iceland is about 1500km from the UK electric grid. If we use high voltage DC power lines to bring electric all the way from there to here it would be very expensive for the cables and would probably lose half the energy in transit. So what? The cost will be a lot less than a new nuclear power station and once set up the fuel is free. The USA has yellow stone, the worlds biggest ever volcano. Get bussy!! |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
| Author: | Ann Vole [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
Basically we cannot blame industry for satisfying the needs of the customer. The solution has to be changing the needs of the customer. From an energy-use standpoint, the best way to save the planet (from all sorts of disasters including wars, financial collapse, weather changes, magnetic flux, viral pandemic) is to grow your own food. It has been estimated that around 76% of energy in America and 72% of energy in the UK is connected in some way to getting food on our tables (including dealing with the waste). The only reason the trees of the world are being cut down and not replaced is the needs of agriculture so growing your own food is as good as planting lots of trees too. The next biggest chunk of energy use (almost 45% - much of that is food-connected) is heating and cooling within buildings. Simple insulation and air-tight design can do an amazingly big chunk of that heating and cooling without using energy to do so. Good window placement, thermal mass in buildings, well-designed ventilation, and better layout of use within the building can usually eliminate the rest of the energy use. For cold climates, check out PassivHaus or the "one watt house", for moderate dry climates, look to thermal mass for the answers. Hot humid climates can find help with ground-source heat pumps and ice storage along with "green" roof systems (plants growing on the roof). Every house in the world can benefit from solar hot water heating (with variations in design based on climate). With these two things, we can chop 80% off our current energy use and at the same time IMPROVE the quality of life... except we will have to get our hands a little dirty on occasion. |
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| Author: | Spongebob [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
Ann, Back when the Environmentsite was running one of the guys posted about a documentary called "century of self" by the BBC. You say we cannot blame industry for supplying what the customer needs and in the documentary it very clearly shows how the customer was made to think what they wanted about 100 years ago and what they talk about has become basic psychology of advertising and product release. Also to do the things you talk about would mean the building regulations in all countries would have to be changed to allow it and that is one hell of an effort to get all countries to agree, am not saying it is wrong to think of changing in that direction but even something as simple as all new builds being given led lighting, solar panels and photovoltaics if in the right lattitude would be a good start yet these things haven't been done because the energy companies are not willing to give up centralised power generation. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
The blame lies with industry a lot more. Not thinking of future consequences of what they were doing, the greed of advertising and profiteering. The rest lies in plain old ignorant, uncaring over-breeding past the long term sustainable level of humanity to the point of a massive die off ahead, followed later by the prolonged effects of pollution---thermageddon and ELE completion. http://dieoff.org/page14.htm http://www.populationmedia.org/ Population Media Center - Acting for Change http://www.populationmedia.org/issue...e-environment/ Population Media Center - Population and the Environment http://www.populationmedia.org/issue...n-and-poverty/ Population Media Center - Population and Poverty http://www.populationmedia.org/issue...ater-scarcity/ Population Media Center - Population and Food and Water Scarcity Overpopulation of now=poverty, environmental carnage, food and water scarcity---and it is getting worse every year. http://populationpress.org/ Ann's suggestions which would reduce HGHG production 80% are not good enough when 90% by 2020 is needed to have a chance at stopping the passing of the methane turnover process tipping point, when we began to be at it in 2009. Along with that, mathematically it would take an immediate moratorium of having kids for nearly a whole generation, followed by 1 child families until sustainability is reached, to prevent mass die off. Knowing human psychology, they will keep on with business as usual until die off from 2030 to 2070, then thermageddon a thousand years later for survivors to face. An extinction worse than 65 million years ago. |
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| Author: | Spongebob [ Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
There is one element missing out of your point johhny, religion and mainly the catholic church as it went around the world dominating countries and forcing the locals to do their bidding or die, that is where the issue with high populations started and we are talking about 1000 years head start on advertising and modern technology being the cause. |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
| Author: | Spongebob [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
Fosgate I take it you know about sowing the seed, which is what the RC's did 1000 years ago and with the trade in slaves that were breeding themselves did rather well out of it as well as stealing their natural resources, so that is where the increase in growth came from originally. It then moved into the other areas such as Asia, by much the same means as an influence for a slave workforce in India and China (and the rest of Asia to a point) by British colonialists who had moved from religion to politics to continue the influence. It is why the RC church has the largest following around the world of any of the christian based religions. |
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| Author: | Tim the Plumber [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
Odd how it's just me with a solution. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:06 pm ] |
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| Author: | Ann Vole [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:08 pm ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:13 pm ] |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:31 pm ] |
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| Author: | Ann Vole [ Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: About Global Warming. |
if you want to blame the Christians, I would suggest that the biggest restriction of the growth of human populations was the combination of war and attempts to starve the enemies of such wars. Christianity brought peace to much of the world and food aid to the starving. Birth control is a very recent thing and the Catholics just don't like people hiding their fornication with these modern items like condoms and birth control pills. The Catholics are still against fornication but that does not stop drunk teens from making babies. Oh, and Muslims stone their prostitutes... there is a solution to rampant sex drive for you. |
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