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I just found these two graphs on sea ice extent that do not show any signs of wavering. So, what are the AGW people saying when talking about melting caps?

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/char ... rence.html

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I don't understand, did you actually bother to look at the graph for the arctic? It shows a trend and the record low is in 08 by some margin which is the last year on the graph. And why stop at 08 anyway?


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This shows the trend as of 2004, which has not improved since then as we have set a new record low this year.

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I see... It just wasn't emphasized very well by that graph; it is too big of a graph to show much decline. Just by looking at that graph, the decline looks like an error margin almost.


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With the much higher temperatures at higher latitudes the postulated extra snow in Greenland will melt quickly. The tundra methane releases are going up fast and have been at the tipping point of being self releasing since 2009. The open ocean warming increase is also approaching a self sustaining tipping point. With double the carbon in the tundra methane deposits and a comparable amount in the warming ocean deposits, the future with business as usual is thermageddon for future survivors.
The ice age cycle will be broken for 200K years, until re-sequestration of the carbon is complete. The temperature was going down and the snow would have built up if it weren't for human green house gas production. If Yellowstone blows before probable, then it could possibly restart the cycle.

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On the denialists grabbing at the straw of Antarctic ice; "This is a claim the climate contrarians tend to make almost every time Arctic sea ice sets a record or near-record low. In reality, the trends in Antarctic sea ice are pretty small compared to what’s happening in the Arctic."
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Johhny you wouldn't happen to have been known as "Ice Czar" on another board in the past?

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No, but I often agreed with him. I was mgopilot then Johnny Electriglide, kicked off for being politically incorrect.
here is a great article with links;
http://www.skepticalscience.com/compreh ... ation.html

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