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Some folks are affected by peanuts.

I see peanut butter and peanut-containing products all over supermarket and gas station shelves.

Conspiracy or just hypersensitivity?

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http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-myths/

Some people believe that the government is spraying something into the air, and this creates unsual looking contrails. They call these “chemtrails”. Now, there is no real evidence that “chemtrails” are real, but there are several myths on the internet about “chemtrails”. All these myths can very easily be shown to be false, and I’ve gathered the most popular myths here as a little time-saver for the person who has encountered “chemtrails” for the first time.

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Is there any peer-reviewed papers on this whole deal?


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Johnny,

Where exactly are the results for these lab results from anywhere? Just claiming there have been spikes is not proof of anything other than the ability to make a claim.

What is the chemistry supposed to be for these programs? How is it supposed to be applied? Do you add it to the fuel or is it a a completely additional weight, which is far from insignificant in either case.

The KC-135 family is often claimed to be the source. Well, there were only 417 in the entire air force in 2010, including the reserve and guard units. The flight hours per year are generally less than one hour per day per unit on average. So, how do we get these huge numbers of "chemtrails" every day without similarly huge numbers of planes which can be dedicated for that operation?

The theory fails the math test and has no evidence outside of unsupported claims on a blog.

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http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw/pdfs/factsheet ... barium.pdf

Barium is found in waste streams from a large number of manufacturing plants in quantities that seldom exceed the normal levels found in soil. Background levels for soil range from 100-3000 ppm barium. Occurs naturally in almost all (99.4%) surface waters examined, in concentration of 2 to 340 ug/l, with an average of 43 ug/l. The drainage basins with low mean concentration of barium (15 ug/l) occur in the western Great Lakes, & the highest mean concentration of 90 ug/l is in the southwestern drainage basins of the lower Mississippi Valley. In stream water & most groundwater, only traces of the element are present.

There are limited survey data on the occurrence of barium in drinking water. Most supplies contain less than 200 ug/l of barium. The average concentration of barium in USA drinking water is 28.6 ug/l (1977 data). The drinking water of many communities in Illinois, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, & New Mexico contains concentrations of barium that may be 10 times higher than the drinking water standard. The source of these supplies is usually well water. Currently 60 ground water supplies and 1 surface water supply exceeds 1000 ug/l.


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Aluminum (Al) is the most commonly occurring metallic element comprising eight percent of the earth's crust (Press and Siever, 1974). It is a major component of almost all common inorganic soil particles with the exceptions of quartz sand, chert fragments, and ferromanganiferous concretions. The typical range of aluminum in soils is from 1% to 30% (10,000 to 300,000 mg Al kg-1) (Lindsay, 1979 and Dragun, 1988) with naturally occurring concentrations variable over several orders of magnitude.

EPA recognizes that due to the ubiquitous nature of aluminum, the natural variability of aluminum soil concentrations and the availability of conservative soil screening benchmarks (Efroymson, 1997b), aluminum is often identified as a contaminant of potential concern (COPC) for ecological risk assessments. The commonly used soil screening benchmarks (Efroymson, 1997b) are based on laboratory toxicity testing using aluminum solution amendments to test soils. Comparisons of total aluminum soil concentrations to solution based screening values are deemed by EPA to be inappropriate.

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I guess if I can't pull your head out of the sand, no one can. Your mind is rigid and made up, and fails to see connections. The miss-information and denial campaign has worked with you. There are so many conspiracy theories, it is easy to throw some factual things in with them, to give you credit for other denialism you don't grab at in the AGW field.

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Deb what you are seeing is simply pollution. I have flown gliders for many years in Australia, and on occasions I have hit pollution layers that were so thick, that they stung my eyes, and smelt real bad. Now the areas I have encounter these effects were well over a hundred miles from the nearest large population, and we only see the occasional con trails or for that matter any large aircraft.

Con trails are just water vapour or ice crystals. How quickly they dissipate depends on the temperature and the level of water vapour in the air, when a cold front approaches, the level of relative humidity rises, and the temperature at height falls this promotes the formation and spreading of con trails. Under some conditions the con trials disappear within minutes, in the example above they may last many hours so seeing a lot of con trials doe not mean there are more aircraft than usual, it simple means you are seeing the the trails made over many hours. It is also worth pointing out that the upper winds will bend the trails into into long curves. The same cold front is likely going to give you northerly winds which will be carrying a larger load of pollution than from most other directions.

Sorry but the theories about deliberate spraying are just rubbish. You would have to put thousands of aircraft into the air, to produce an effect on the air quality, that was noticeable at ground level. What is a very serious problem is the level of pollution, that is being produced by our ever increasing use of fossil fuels. so much so that it is causing a a global dimming effect.

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Warmair,

What I'm seeing is pollution for sure...chemtrail pollution! The who, what and why is debatable at this stage, until we can discover more, but my observation of increased aircraft spraying volumes of material in the sky is not. I see the planes, I see the "stuff", I see the "consequences". And I see the urgent need to do something about it!

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