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Allright you were talking about ethics rather then the nuts and bolts of the science itself. What do you think of someone who represents himself as something to give his arguments more force and states personal opinions as fact when he doesn't have the expertise to make statements like that, does that strike you as ethical?

Anyway you're the scientist and I'm just an interested layman but there are somethings that I find confusing; first you seem to reject a global temperature reconstruction because it does not display the error bars however you then link a local temperature reconstruction with no error bars.I would expect a scientist to spot that, did you?

I asked about how could things such as alpine glaciers persist through the medieval warm period etc. if it was as warm or warmer then now for hundreds of years I was interested in your explanation as a scientist not a link to a blog that does not really answer my question that just shows that someone besides you thinks it was warmer then than it is now it does not really answer the riddle.

Anyway I see from your conversation with Wayne you have got more productive things to do with your time then argue on the internet, its a shame you don't have the time to answer his question about what you think is would be the mechanism to decouple the short term water feedback from the long term CO2 effect it would be interesting to here a scientist's take on this. I've got a gym membership that needs using but it's been a pleasure to talk to a real scientist on these issues, good luck stamping out unethical behavior in science.


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Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.

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The only reason why I post here is on the odd chance I might present the other side to any fence sitter that might be wandering through. This forum has a critically low count of people who participate. But, I have observed numerous hits on this thread alone suggests many are silent readers. Those are the people I seek to present the other side. Wayne represents an Environ-Mental-ist (TM Goose5) who is not much more than a Pavlovian dog. Post (bell) and he just salivates his drivel as usual. I could write his responses. I have participated on numerous boards for years. I have lost my will to go toe to toe with these people. I don’t have the time, and I learn nothing from the encounter. I enjoy your posts, and its not easy getting Spot out of his hole so well done.

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The responsibility of the Department of Defense is the security of our country. That requires thinking ahead and planning for a wide range of contingencies.

Among the future trends that will impact our national security is climate change. Rising global temperatures, changing precipitation patterns, climbing sea levels, and more extreme weather events will intensify the challenges of global instability, hunger, poverty, and conflict. They will likely lead to food and water shortages, pandemic disease, disputes over refugees and resources, and destruction by natural disasters in regions across the globe.

In our defense strategy, we refer to climate change as a “threat multiplier” because it has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today – from infectious disease to terrorism. We are already beginning to see some of these impacts.

A changing climate will have real impacts on our military and the way it executes its missions. The military could be called upon more often to support civil authorities, and provide humanitarian assistance and disaster relief in the face of more frequent and more intense natural disasters. Our coastal installations are vulnerable to rising sea levels and increased flooding, while droughts, wildfires, and more extreme temperatures could threaten many of our training activities. Our supply chains could be impacted, and we will need to ensure our critical equipment works under more extreme weather conditions. Weather has always affected military operations, and as the climate changes, the way we execute operations may be altered or constrained.

While scientists are converging toward consensus on future climate projections, uncertainty remains. But this cannot be an excuse for delaying action. Every day, our military deals with global uncertainty. Our planners know that, as military strategist Carl von Clausewitz wrote, “all action must, to a certain extent, be planned in a mere twilight.”

It is in this context that DoD is releasing a Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap. Climate change is a long-term trend, but with wise planning and risk mitigation now, we can reduce adverse impacts downrange.

Our first step in planning for these challenges is to identify the effects of climate change on the Department with tangible and specific metrics, using the best available science. We are almost done with a baseline survey to assess the vulnerability of our military’s more than 7,000 bases, installations, and other facilities. In places like the Hampton Roads region in Virginia, which houses the largest concentration of US military sites in the world, we see recurrent flooding today, and we are beginning work to address a projected sea-level rise of 1.5 feet over the next 20 to 50 years.

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Fence sitters I ask you to think about one aspect of this debate.

If the science is settled. If 97 percent of scientists agree its settled. Why are we still spending billions on research?

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