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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Statistics are a wonderful thing IF you understand them. Last year was a record low for sea ice extent in the Arctic, which means the following year should move back toward the mean. The long term trend of ice volume and sea ice is clear and the use of a short term view is nothing more than misleading cherry picking. |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Wayne Stollings wrote: Statistics are a wonderful thing IF you understand them. That is one hugeass IF with most folks. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Fosgate wrote: Wayne Stollings wrote: Statistics are a wonderful thing IF you understand them. That is one hugeass IF with most folks. Don't we know it ...... |
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| Author: | Milton Banana [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Fence sitters please note the cracks in the AGW foundation continue at an ever increasing rate. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/enviro ... wrong.html Quote: One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.
The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now. Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.” |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Maybe seeing the report will help determine what is and is not in it. |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Quote: The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now. So what? In the age of the dinosaurs it was even warmer. It happens that the rate of temperature rise recently has been unprecedented and after analyzing the influence of natural forcings experts have concluded most of the warming is due to AGW. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Milton, look at Fig2 and Table1, and do your own math; http://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM.asp plus, here is a good recent article; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-reese- ... 23543.html Usually I don't like that newspaper, but this article is very good. 
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| Author: | Milton Banana [ Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Fence sitters take note. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... -the-heat/ Quote: Already we have had a taste of the nonsense to come: a pre-announcement to the effect that “climate scientists” are now “95 per cent certain” that humans are to blame for climate change; an evidence-free declaration by the economist who wrote the discredited Stern Report that the computer models cited by the IPCC “substantially underestimate” the scale of the problem; a statement by the panel’s chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri, that “the scientific evidence of… climate change has strengthened year after year”.
As an exercise in bravura spin, these claims are up there with Churchill’s attempts to reinvent the British Expeditionary Force’s humiliating retreat from Dunkirk as a victory. In truth, though, the new report offers scant consolation to those many alarmists whose careers depend on talking up the threat. It says not that they are winning the war to persuade the world of the case for catastrophic anthropogenic climate change – but that the battle is all but lost. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Milton Banana wrote: Fence sitters take note. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... -the-heat/ Quote: Already we have had a taste of the nonsense to come: a pre-announcement to the effect that “climate scientists” are now “95 per cent certain” that humans are to blame for climate change; an evidence-free declaration by the economist who wrote the discredited Stern Report that the computer models cited by the IPCC “substantially underestimate” the scale of the problem; a statement by the panel’s chairman, Dr Rajendra Pachauri, that “the scientific evidence of… climate change has strengthened year after year”. As an exercise in bravura spin, these claims are up there with Churchill’s attempts to reinvent the British Expeditionary Force’s humiliating retreat from Dunkirk as a victory. In truth, though, the new report offers scant consolation to those many alarmists whose careers depend on talking up the threat. It says not that they are winning the war to persuade the world of the case for catastrophic anthropogenic climate change – but that the battle is all but lost. A crappy blog is all you have? Really not much to convince the fence sitters is it? |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fence sitters and those who are looking for more informa |
Johhny Electriglide wrote: Milton, look at Fig2 and Table1, and do your own math; http://www.wunderground.com/climate/PETM.asp plus, here is a good recent article; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-reese- ... 23543.html Usually I don't like that newspaper, but this article is very good. Milton, Milton, did you do poorly in math? http://www.skepticalscience.com/cherryp ... guide.html |
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