Well they both get it right and they both get it wrong, which is more to the point. These are some bright folks but it shows you once again how finely tuned arguments in a box finally are losers when you leave out the problem of the actual box. And that box is, of course, the problem of being overpopulated and growing. Since neither want to address it, both are finally destined to run the train off the rails.
I'll wait for later to critique these matters in detail.http://bravenewclimate.com/2014/10/07/t ... #more-6485