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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:14 pm 
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We should keep hoping, at least until it becomes even more obvious humans will not reduce emissions or population in time to prevent catastrophe worse than blowing Yellowstone.
To motivate climate activists, use optimism

By Heather Smith
sign pointing to the village of Hope, Derbyshire UK Pol Sifter

"So it turns out, hope is important.
Did we know that already? We sort of knew that already. But — according to a new study put together by researchers at George Mason University and Yale’s Climate Change Communication Project — hope is particularly critical as a motivator in the very doom-heavy world of climate change activism."
http://grist.org/climate-energy/to-moti ... aign=daily

I always thought the truth will set you free. Make it seem less severe so people will act to reduce emissions and population more? There are some who just have no hope. Intelligent young people screwed out of a job and wages by invaders allowed by corruption, and these kids know what is ahead and could go green if they had the money.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:43 pm 
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Bipartisan Leaders Make Economic Case for Fighting Climate Change
'Our findings show that if we continue on our current path many regions of the U.S. face the prospect of serious economic effects from climate change.'
By John H. Cushman Jr., InsideClimate News
Jun 24, 2014
"Climate inaction is "risky business," warns a new report by a bipartisan group of business and government leaders led by (from left) Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York, Thomas Steyer, a political financier and climate activist, and Henry Paulson, the former U.S secretary of the treasury. Credit: NYC Mayor's Office, Fortune Live Media, Shealah Craighead for the White House

Businesses and governments around the country should begin now to prepare for a future in which precious timber is lost to ground fire, factory equipment is inundated or swept away by storms and flood, and it's impossible to work outside on many days because of the heat.

All of these ill effects of climate change will do serious harm to the national economy, said a new report, Risky Business, issued on Tuesday. As a result, companies and governments should start investing now in measures to both stave off the worst effects of climate and to adapt to them—or risk paying an astronomical price tag later."
http://insideclimatenews.org/carbon-cop ... ate-change

Overpopulation also has negative economic consequences. Who cares about economics when we have 9 years to reduce emissions 90% and start population reduction to mitigate the mathematically certain crash.

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This simply must end!!!!

Government Subsidizes Fossil Fuel Industry With $20+ Billion in Taxpayer Money Each Year
Shakuntala Makhijani, Oil Change International | July 9, 2014 4:58 pm | Comments

"Oil Change International released a comprehensive report today on fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies in the U.S.—Cashing in on All of the Above: U.S. Fossil Fuel Production Subsidies Under Obama—which demonstrates that at a time when we need urgent action on climate change, the U.S. government is channeling huge and growing amounts of money to increasing discovery and production of oil, gas and coal. These federal and state subsidies totaled $21.6 billion in 2013.
oilFI“The ‘All of the Above’ energy strategy is not only climate denial—it’s climate denial that is funded with more than $20 billion in taxpayer support each year.” Photo credit: Oil Change International

Subsidies that promote fossil fuel exploration are particularly harmful and hypocritical. The world’s preeminent scientific institutions working on climate and energy have determined that the majority of the world’s existing fossil fuel reserves need to be left in the ground in order to avoid catastrophic climate impacts. In 2012, the International Energy Agency (IEA) warned that “no more than one-third of proven reserves of fossil fuels can be consumed prior to 2050 if the world is to achieve the two degree Celsius goal.” The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reached a similar conclusion in its 2013 climate assessment.

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“The ‘All of the Above’ energy strategy is not only climate denial—it’s climate denial that is funded with more than $20 billion in taxpayer support each year.” said Steve Kretzmann, executive director of Oil Change International. “Until our representatives in Washington and around the country find the courage necessary to put people’s interests ahead of rich polluters, this theft of our tax dollars is likely to continue. The next step for saving the climate should be clear: stop funding fossils.”

Fossil fuel exploration subsidies are in direct conflict with these calls to restrict fossil fuel production and use. "
http://ecowatch.com/2014/07/09/governme ... b-85901709

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:46 am 
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I do agree with you Johhny Electriglide.

But how? Action or petition?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:23 pm 
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By both personal actions and petitions. There will be protests Friday and Saturday against this human wave attack on the USA. One aspect of the battle to save the biosphere is not only emissions reductions from stopping stupid aiding of the enemy and changing the way we live, it is reducing the quantity. Wood chippers would do the trick!
With all the corruption and bleeding heart selfishness with greed, it looks like the only way to stop the global terminal extinction events is to blow Yellowstone and/or Toba and Katla. To save the biosphere and bottleneck the human population like Toba did 74,600 years ago. A long enough volcanic winter to cool the AGW including its momentum, and start Resequestration of CO2 and CH4----at least a 7.5 year winter.
Then the glacial cycle will be restored and the beginnings of the ice age within 2K years. Species loss would be less than a major extinction and 60+% would make it to the next interglacial epoch, including humans. That is a best case scenario.
The worst case, that must be emphasized to politicians and people, is the rapid loss of our planetary biosphere, and virtually anything is better than that. :mrgreen:

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Survey Shows Americans Lead the World in Climate Denial

Brandon Baker | July 22, 2014 3:43 pm | Comments

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"Just a week after a nonprofit revealed that the U.S. is lagging behind other developed countries in energy efficiency, a research firm’s data shows that the nation is the leader in denying climate change."
http://ecowatch.com/...0ad26f-85901709
Then we have enviros out of touch, too;

The Silent Spring for today’s environmental activists, Earth Calling: A Climate Change Handbook for the 21st Century
"Here’s a page from a climate change handbook, Earth Calling:
Rather than looking at the crises we face as issues on a to-do list, we need to see beneath the words to the real messages trying to get through to us. We as a culture are unmatched at assembling facts and events into a mosaic of a condition-at-large and taking it on with hard work and a can-do attitude. We have giant hearts and giving and compassionate natures. Why isn’t this enough to motivate us to look more deeply, to make sense of this, and to demand change of our leaders and ourselves?
To begin to answer this, we need to understand how different this challenge is from anything we have ever faced before. We need to see this as a call to our spirits to awaken and look at the earth and our relationship to her differently. And we need to understand where things have come apart, where we are broken, and why and how we can fix ourselves, each other, and the conditions that are harming our planet.
We can all take a leaf out of Ellen Gunter and Ted Carter’s Earth Calling: A Climate Change Handbook—to see the interconnectedness of all things, understand the deeper truths about climate change and discover a roadmap for finding our own call to action."
http://ecowatch.com/...0ad26f-85901709
The bold statements are generally from the pre-1970 America. Since then, the dumbing down and multitudes allowed in who had nothing to do with winning WWII or going to the Moon. We have to dial one for English? We HAVE to "celebrate diversity"? How about celebrating biological diversity and not celebrating the huge human diversity, to the point of near speciation. The culture we had is being ruined also. It is sickening, to me. - See more at: http://www.altenergyshift.com/topic/132 ... RFtv7.dpuf

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Why I’m a Climate Change Alarmist
"Tragically, there’s a vast mismatch between our actions to date and what’s needed. This isn’t just another big environmental issue. When the ozone hole was discovered decades ago, the world got together and agreed to change the chemical used in making refrigerators cold. In hindsight, that seems incredibly easy compared to this. Climate change cuts to the core of who we are as a civilization and what kind of world we want to create for our kids. Perhaps understandably, that’s meant that a lot of smart people are really pessimistic about our future."
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... -303435821
Why our brains are wired to ignore climate change
"Some of the answers are familiar. Humans respond most urgently to threats that are present, concrete and definite — a mugger, say. But climate change is gradual, hard to observe and indefinite, at least in terms of its eventual magnitude and effects on our personal lives. Addressing it requires making palpable sacrifices now "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
Personally, I think a lot of it has to do with the low world average IQ, extreme selfishness and greed, with lust and sloth.

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The Gathering Storm (and the closing doors of opportunity)

Dr. Michael Mann and Dr. Daniel Kammen | September 19, 2014 12:06 pm |

"Winston Churchill saw the gathering storm long before the rest of the world. Europe sacrificed millions of people before it openly acknowledged and then directly confronted the crisis. Yet, even after the Allies responded, the outcome was uncertain. Only when the U.S. entered the fray could the Allies see a clear path to end the threat.
Today, we face another threat, this time from climate disruption. Again, the U.S. must lead—this time to a clean energy future and a healthier world. As we experience more intense and longer heat waves, prolonged drought, crop failures, rising seas, increasing wildfires and floods, and as natural systems begin to crash, we will see profoundly destabilizing effects.

The scientific debate about whether human-caused global warming exists is long over. The remaining window of time for the needed transformation is short, and the only real issue is how we respond. This is where U. S. leadership is most critical.

First, carbon emissions should peak now. Reducing our greenhouse gas emissions must begin at once in industrialized nations, and within a few years in developing nations. Second, we must reduce emissions by several percent per year and quickly transition away from fossil fuels. Third, the U.S. must lead. The U.S. must embrace the Copenhagen Accord, shape the upcoming 2015 Paris accords, and lead this next great industrial transformation. Our capacity to innovate is unmatched, which means that U. S. industry will benefit from political clarity around climate stabilization."
http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/19/gatherin ... 2-85901709

How short a time? Looks like not later than 2024 to have achieved a 90% reduction in emissions from 1998 level.
We have 8 years to do all that changing needed to avoid thermageddon extinction.

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I think it misses the boat to focus exclusively on climate change or imagine there will be a climate catastrophe in the near term. I certainly don't see any Venus effect on the horizon. The fact is there are a lot of things building up - just the stress of numbers is one and then running out of vital resources and the growth of dead zones and then there are diseases.

What probably will wipe us out before some CO2 induced 6th extinction event will simply be the accumulation of stressors leading to maybe a nuclear war or some natural or human induced bio-attack or probably some combination of lethal influences. AGW would be just one of those stressors, but an important one. For example, in Syria one of the stressors ignored in that conflict is the key role drought induced by global warming is playing in upsetting the whole water and agriculture system in that country and forcing thousands of environmental refugees into the cities.

My sense is things are getting progressively worse on a kind of permanent basis despite all our technofixes, which suggests events are playing out beyond our control. But rather than any one thing it's more like the proverbial one horse shay where the thing comes apart at once because the world social system is suffering a comprehensive or multi-sourced breakdown.


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Happening today; Watch livestream here on Sunday, Sept. 21 starting at 10:30 a.m. ET
http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/19/livestre ... ate-march/

If this does not get people motivated to a WWII style effort with the RESULT of lowering emissions to 10% of 1998 level, then Nature will take its course. More fighting, more record temps every year, rapidly increasing methane, more severe weather and fires, cannibalism, other wild behavior and beliefs, and on and on.
The problem you don't see, Dingo, is that the amount of sequestered carbon is higher than at any time in Earth history. There is a thousand times the methane needed to go runaway to the "Venus Effect", if it all releases. There is nothing to stop it. The rate of change will be flabbergasting. Any one who is alive in 30 more years, will see some of the worst of it.

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I read an article regarding people climate march that happened last Sunday was very successful. In fact, hundred thousands of people attended. It just proves that many people are longing for solution from the authorities through their action.


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Here is more from kids to the UN;
http://www.askwhywhynot.org/?utm_source ... dium=Email

The thing I immediately noticed was a complete lack of knowing the root cause is overpopulation. It is unfortunate we are so far into overshoot of everything, and rapid decarbonization must include rapid population reduction.
Hopefully, Cascadia, Katla, or La Palma will initiate a crash within 8 years which will also lower our emissions 95%.
After that the only way to save our species and the biosphere is blowing Yellowstone.
Anything less or taking too long, will result in complete methane turnover to Venus type conditions in a relatively short time, geologically. Our species will be gone, and maybe the turnover will not be complete, and it will "only" be a Permian type ELE. :mrgreen:

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http://peoplesclimate.org/wrap-up/
http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/25/video-pe ... 7-85901709

We Can Transition to 100% Renewable Energy Starting Today

Mark Ruffalo | September 24, 2014 9:12 am |

"Across the nation, American businesses, families and communities are embracing clean, renewable energy that is homegrown, healthy, and can never run out. By finding alternatives to fossil fuels that pollute our air and disrupt our climate, they are showcasing the single most practical way to tackle climate change, starting now."
http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/24/renewabl ... b-85901709

The question is: can it result in a 95% emissions reduction from today? By 2024? :shock: #-o :crazy: \:D/ :mrgreen:

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The FINAL SOLUTION:
Supervolcano blast would blanket U.S. in ash
Simulation of Yellowstone eruption shows extended reach of massive volcanoes
by Thomas Sumner
7:00am, September 22, 2014
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/sup ... ket-us-ash

We would get 4 to 8" of ash, but the ten year volcanic winter would starve most and cool the effects of AGW enough so, with very little human emissions, the climate could return to late interglacial norms.
Of course, the cloudy weather would ruin solar power, and our family 2 year food supply would not be sufficient.

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Climate depression is for real. Just ask a scientist

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Two years ago, Camille Parmesan, a professor at Plymouth University and the University of Texas at Austin, became so “professionally depressed” that she questioned abandoning her research in climate change entirely.

Parmesan has a pretty serious stake in the field. In 2007, she shared a Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore for her work as a lead author of the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). In 2009, The Atlantic named her one of 27 “Brave Thinkers” for her work on the impacts of climate change on species around the globe. Barack Obama and Mark Zuckerberg were also on the list.

Despite the accolades, she was fed up. “I felt like here was this huge signal I was finding and no one was paying attention to it,” Parmesan says."
http://grist.org/climate-energy/climate ... gn=climate

I have heard of a book on it, too. It is really tough to know of the Arctic Methane Emergency and its inevitable end in Global Terminal Extinction, and not feel sad, frustrated, and mad at gov'ts, people, AND corporations. It is tough knowing that in only ten years, it will all be too late to stop except by one or more geologic events, which are due or could be accelerated by human actions to prevent this loss of the entire biosphere of this planet.
The misery of what portends is felt by us who can foresee the various lousy scenarios..... :-({|=

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