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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:18 am 
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There is no population limit. Haven't you heard of space colonies and their unlimited possibilities for expansion? Yep, that solution has been offered to me often curiously enough associated with a nuclear powered planet, the bottomless clean energy with the lowest footprint per gigabyte output.

As Monbiot points out it is an absurd science fiction account of the future, more finally to do with escapist religion and than offering any practical scientific possibilities.

http://www.monbiot.com/2014/11/11/bette ... different/

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“Space colonization is, at its core, a real estate business. … Those that colonize space will control vast lands, enormous amounts of electrical power, and nearly unlimited material resources. [This] will create wealth beyond our wildest imagination and wield power – hopefully for good rather than for ill.”(3) In other words, we would leave not only the Earth behind but also ourselves.

That’s a common characteristic of such fantasies: their lack of imagination. Wild flights of technological fancy are accompanied by a stolid incapacity to picture the inner life of those who might inhabit such systems. People who would consider the idea of living in the Gobi Desert intolerable – where, an estate agent might point out, there is oxygen, radiation-screening, atmospheric pressure and 1g of gravity – rhapsodise about living on Mars. People who imagine that human life on Earth will end because of power and greed and oppression imagine we will escape these forces in pressure vessels controlled by technicians, in which we would be trapped like tadpoles in a jamjar.

If space colonisation is impossible today, when Richard Branson, for all his billions, cannot even propel people safely past the atmosphere(4), how will it look in a world that has fallen so far into disaster that leaving it for a lifeless, airless lump of rock would be perceived as a good option? We’d be lucky in these circumstances to possess the wherewithal to make bricks.

Only by understanding this as a religious impulse can we avoid the conclusion that those who gleefully await this future are insane. Just as it is easier to pray for life after death than it is to confront oppression, this fantasy permits us to escape the complexities of life of Earth for a starlit wonderland beyond politics.


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That was the 1970s type thinking, until enough physics lessons to know that any meaningful velocity to explore the stars and actually know where you are going is not full of people already, is just not possible. It would turn a human to jelly.
Too many people? Yes, and for a century getting worse, to the point of polluting the biosphere to death.
No fantasy space colonization. Most people will die, and survivors will have a worse and worse time of it. Until, extinction of most life on Earth with a recover time of more than 30 million years, if not a runaway to oven temperature, total methane turnover.

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An estimated 10 billion people on earth by 2050 or thereabouts. 40% more than now. Whatever the solution, if there is one, we need to find it pretty quick ....

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:26 am 
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knightofalbion wrote:
An estimated 10 billion people on earth by 2050 or thereabouts. 40% more than now. Whatever the solution, if there is one, we need to find it pretty quick ....



I doubt there is a solution. In fact, I would guess that our search for 'Solutions' has brought us into the impossible situation we find ourselves in. There is no solution in either spirituality/religion or in politics. A formula does not exist. There is no way, no path and no formula .... There are no political or religious leaders that will bring us to where we could be. There is no one here but us chickens. So what should we do? Fly our flags? Make noise about immigration? They will come flooding. They need to. We are a tiny blue dot in a very vast universe.

Perspective. We are all here together, regardless of what soccer team you are rooting for ...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:38 am 
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Actually there is a solution in politics and one of the oldest there is. A nice big war could reduce the population significantly and someone is likely to decide that is the way for them to go.

However, I think we can agree there are no good short term viable solutions based in either religion or politics at this time. There always seems to be bad solutions available to us .... mainly because we are a species that deals with the short term rather than the long term as if it were genetically imprinted in our DNA to procrastinate. :problem:

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