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The only growth that makes sense at this time is negative. Or growth of sustainability, maybe.
Growth of regulations and enforcement?? Economically the steady state model is best, but barter may be the main thing.
Here, growth of good enforcement has made people mad at being criminals, and another country worsens;

Amazon Logging Town Struggles Amid Tough Crackdown on Deforestation
'Gold mining stopped, logging stopped, everything stopped. I don't have anybody to sell to.'

By Jeff Tollefson, InsideClimate News

Jul 3, 2014
"Posted Image"A team from the Brazilian Institute of Environment and Renewable Natural Resources (IBAMA), the government's environmental law enforcement agency, monitors property near Novo Progresso, Para, for illegal logging and other activity. Many residents there have yet to make their peace with the law to curtail deforestation, or the government seeking to enforce it. Credit: Jeff Tollefson, InsideClimate News

Jeff Tollefson is reporting from the Brazilian Amazon for eight weeks and exploring Brazil's efforts to protect the world's largest rainforest—and the earth's climate.
The situation was still a little tense when I arrived in Novo Progresso, Para, a frontier town that serves as the regional base for the federal government's environmental law enforcement agency, known as IBAMA. Two weeks earlier an IBAMA team had burned three large logging trucks and a tractor that were operating illegally outside a neighboring city; protesters rioted, briefly trapping agents in a hotel and later blocking one of the main highways into the Amazon. Everybody in Novo Progresso had an opinion on the matter, and many felt that a line had been crossed.....
The history is by now familiar. Residents here answered the government's call to settle the Amazon beginning in the 1970s, and they dutifully built an economy based on ranching, logging and mining. Despite government backing, however, very little of this activity adhered to the letter of the law, which remained a bit of an abstract concept in this region. And so when IBAMA showed up, everyone became a criminal of some sort."
http://insideclimate...n-deforestation
Rate of Deforestation in Indonesia Overtakes Brazil, Study Says
Jun 30, 2014(Guardian)
"Indonesia has greatly under-reported how much primary rainforest it is cutting down, according to the government's former head of forestry data gathering.

UN and official government figures have maintained that the country with the third biggest stretch of tropical forest after the Amazon and Congo was losing 310,00 hectares of all its forest a year between 2000 and 2005, increasing to 690,000 hectares annually from 2006 to 2010.
Exact rates of Indonesian deforestation have varied with different figures quoted by researchers and government, but a new study, which claims to be the most comprehensive yet, suggests that nearly twice as much primary forest is being cut down as in Brazil, the historical global leader."
http://insideclimate...azil-study-says

So you try to stop destruction and pollution in one place, and another picks up and goes on depleting and polluting on a global scale. Too many people, too much environmental destruction until collapse, first, economic, then ecological. :-({|=

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