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Then again, maybe you should be. We can consider a limited number of facts and stop there. A better option is to account for ALL that we know, weighing facts accordingly.

The ethics of eating red meat have been grilled recently by critics who question its consequences for environmental health and animal welfare. But if you want to minimise animal suffering and promote more sustainable agriculture, adopting a vegetarian diet might be the worst possible thing you could do.

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The top statements were pure unsubstantiated garbage. Agriculture puts out HGHGs in numerous ways. From bad practices, to mechanization and diesel transportation, plus the ridiculous added sugars, and pressure from extreme gross overpopulation, with the really bad slash and burn emissions. Only 3% of methane is from livestock. Much is coming from the stupid fracking boom, and huge spikes with the Arctic blowholes. More is coming out of the oceans as they warm, and 'drunk forest' and tundras in spring temperatures warmer than the threshold for turnover.
It is only a matter of a decade or so, and people will be eating people, plus any animal they can catch along with stealing all edibles and valuables, in their wandering gangs that eventually run out of food, too. Remote vegetarians may last until temperatures ruin crops before 2050.
I no longer eat as much meat, and no red meat. I also look for added sugars. Gout gets your attention!! The agricultural and food corporations are as bad as the fossil fuel ones, in that profits count more than health or the future of humanity and the planet's biosphere.
I really don't like many vegetarians' better than thou attitude, when they face a different set of health worries, and use it to excuse gross over-breeding like in India. India has a global dimming zone seven times its land size, from fossil fuels and a billion dung cook fires, and the dung and trees are about gone. Soot from them has been shown to be accelerating glacier melting in Greenland. They have disrupted their own needed monsoon regularity, and are near running out of pure ground water while their 'Sacred' Ganges River is full of diseases and human excrement. Half of India's soil is at zero organics and depleted, like China, with only fossil fuel fertilizers making it so the malnourished crop is usable. The soil only holds it in place, not giving it nutrition like it naturally should.
Sure, everyone turning vegan theoretically would make it so about 40% of already deteriorated low soil grazing land can be temporarily used for other foods. I think everyone should do as I do for milk. 1/2 cup almonds with 1 cup water in refrigerator overnight then low then high with 28 ozs cold water in the blender on solar power. Through a sieve into a glass quart bottle, and the leftover can be added to recipes or composted, or even fed to birds.
Tastes just like the dairy kind, but good for you instead of bad. What does California do?? They let the almond growers have enough less water to ruin them, while giving the unsustainable city people water to flush and waste.
It is really stupid to use aquifers for agriculture, because they are a very long term loss. In fact it is stupid to use any resources including soils and aquifers, faster than their replenishment rate. People have been depleting and polluting 100 and more times as fast as natural recharge rates, natural regeneration rates, and absorption rates since the early part of last century, getting worse with population growth.
Essentially lowering the long term population possible to sustain, and accelerating to the negative like a reflection of the growth curve. It only gives humanity a few more years if they all go vegan, and before that the entire population is malnourished and losing immunity, along with being pissed off in the crowds.

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I think we should find the solution for the problem, not only raise it. Many people know that being a meat eater may be violant to animals and also this action does harm to environment as well. However, they think that eating meat is needed to stay healthy or simply because they are addicted to eating meat.

I have a solution, we can make food that has the delicious taste. I'm a Buddist so sometimes when I go to the pagoda to join some lectures of monks, I have chance to eat many vegetarian food which are very delicious. And these food still provide enough nutrients for body to not only survive but also stay healthy and prevent diseases. I think if we can find the way to popularize Buddhist food to meat eaters, they can change their way to intake nutrient effectively and become vegetarians.

No please by all means.

That just means there is more for me, and I just bought a new smoker.

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Eating meat is totally natural. In the wild animals eat other animals. And since we're mammals, we eat meat for a balanced diet so we're healthy. Vegetarians can go without meat, but there are less foods with protein and such to chose from.

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“Intellect is invisible to the man who has none”
Arthur Schopenhauer

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."
Albert Einstein

Only cycles continue . The problem with almost all modern agriculture is that we have broken the nutrient and water cycle. All our current monoculture, mono animal, transport based industrial scale production break cycles.We are not the first civilization to do this. In every example from history these practices always ends badly for the dominant culture. What is unique this episode is our scale, billions will suffer when our crash comes.

The enviro guilt one feels should be high for all industrial food production, yes animal production is the most unsustainable. Between 40and68 calories FF are used to deliver one calorie of meat but that is only slightly worse than the industrial veg and grain numbers,so all are completely unsustainable.

Animals are a key to farming crops within a balanced cycle, whether we eat them or not, they can do things we can only imitate with out of cycle FF created inputs and methods.
The solution for most of our problems,can be found by thinking in terms of local nutrient,water and labour cycles, within the supply of current sunshine.