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Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:53 pm ]
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Well, looks like methane releases north side of Alaska's coast, and most of the ice that was slush is gone, with numerous icebergs flowing out, also. The high ocean temperature anomalies have taken out Norwegian sensor readings, but the north side of Greenland is releasing copious methane, too. These warmer waters are setting off small exposed methane hydrate deposits from Svalbard to near the pole, but not in ESAS. We might be saved for a year or two after all. We have some time to go, but it doesn't look like we'll bust the 2012 Arctic ice volume minimum. It is when an 800' deep +1.25*C or more warming anomaly hits just one end of a 50 mile by one half mile methane clathrate deposit explosively releases, then the rest rips into a chain reaction explosive release from the mechanical force of the first section to blow. The resulting tsunami will also be destructive. Even if some or all is ignited by brave volunteers or automatic devices, the resulting heat and CO2 would continue runaway.
All the methane hydrate deposits should be considered as if it were silver fulminate. IMHO :mrgreen:

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:53 pm ]
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graphs show late August began a departure, methane maps began to show heavy amounts of methane being released in the Arctic, October saw reports from Alaskan Yupik fishermen of the ocean "boiling" as far as they could see, and the Siberian Times article on this year's Arctic Ocean and Kara Sea expedition, fountains by the hundreds reported from the 2011-14 expedition had turned into fountains up to over a kilometer wide by the thousands. Very heavy releases, totaling ~5GTs, until early this month abating 50% with Arctic full night for 4 months. Then, in the spring it will start where it left off in October. By this summer the fires will have been rampant and crops failing. It looks like exponential heat at +6*C 2028.7 (thanks to Dr. Malcolm Light, Dr. Guy McPherson, and Dr. Paul Beckwith). +12*C 2035, and slowing with 100% humidity and 200,000 foot thick clouds, to thermal max +14*C over pre-industrial by 2080. 100,0000 years of gradual cool down, and 5 million years for re-evolution of surface life. It may be possible to stop it within two years with something like this https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/uturun ... lcano.html

This spring will herald a new era of people actually experiencing many more negative effects of abrupt heat gain induced by human overpopulation's demands. From CO2 +>1.5*C global, + 5*C Arctic. The Arctic is in heat anomalies of 7-12*C right now, and CONUS is +8*C in places, Canada, too. The food prices will climb abruptly next year's northern hemisphere fall. It will continue to few crops at all by only 2024. The +6* point is considered extinction of surface life except for extremophiles. Faster and bigger than any other ELE in Earth geologic history. Thanks to deniers and ignorance, lust and greed.
No one is complaining yet. Except where fires are going on right now.

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:20 pm ]
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World sea ice is continuing collapse. Arctic methane is releasing steadily.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/1 ... -to-do-now

"Temperatures have been only a few degrees above freezing when -25C should be expected"
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... scientists

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Sun May 14, 2017 9:22 am ]
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Here is an interesting article from a while ago; http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~karin/1 ... drates.pdf

The methane map from the beginning of the month showed a real slowdown in methane releases. This is something I am watching. If methane was in runaway, this probably would not happen. I was expecting an increase with the sun hitting up there. If it has gone to lower another month, then I can say we are not yet in methane runaway from the open ocean runaway in the Arctic that does indeed exist. It is a large kinetic release that could start it all at any time, that we look for, maybe this fall or next, I hope, the longer the better. There are those who seem like they would like it to be in a faster runaway than it is. This is a geologic event and trying to translate it to human lifespan times is very difficult. Many think the clathrate gun has gone off, but I don't. When it does go off, we have 4 years left on the surface. IMEO.

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:45 pm ]
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that is scientific, but this is journalism; "The Uninhabitable Earth
Famine, economic collapse, a sun that cooks us: What climate change could wreak — sooner than you think."
By David Wallace-Wells
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... umans.html

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:11 am ]
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http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/soundings ... h4.075.gif

The clathrate gun hypothesis is the theory that rises in ocean temperature can trigger the sudden release of methane from the methane hydrates buried in seabeds and permafrost. Because methane is a powerful greenhouse gas, these releases would lead to feedbacks – further temperature rise and further methane clathrate destabilization – in effect initiating a runaway process as irreversible, once started, as the firing of a gun.In its original form, the hypothesis proposed that the “clathrate gun” could cause abrupt runaway warming in a timescale less than a human lifetime.

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:30 am ]
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https://news.sky.com/story/warning-to-h ... e-11125208

Warning to Humanity: 15,000 scientists say damage irreversible

2014 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater

2017 http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/soundings ... h4.079.gif

In three years from yellow to red and pink.

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:01 pm ]
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“Clive Hamilton is an Australian public intellectual who’s written books about global warming, among them: Requiem for a Species and Defiant Earth. His books were intended to enlighten the public. But as he says: “anyone who engages publicly in the climate change debate has been subject to threats and abuse from a global army of climate science deniers. There are a lot of disturbed, angry people out there, which is, of course, socially worrying.”
In the embed link and podcast Are We F–ked? Decoding the Resistance to Climate Change Clive Hamilton discusses the phenomenon of climate scientists saying one thing in public and another in private. I urge you to listen to the podcast embedded above.
Here’s a teaser; “No one wanted to pay attention to the implications of a world four degrees warmer… It’s too horrendous to think about. And no one talked about it. Then a few scientists said let’s have a conference and actually talk about it. They held this conference in Oxford and I went along. As the conference started, there was a kind of suppressed emotional intensity, except in the coffee breaks. It was then that I would buttonhole a couple of scientists and say: ‘Well, you know we’re speculating about this. But what do you really think is the situation?’ And one of them just looked at me and said: ‘We’re f–ked.'” — Clive Hamilton. Remember the flack Dr Jason Box received for his famous Tweet? “If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we’re f’d.”
“Oil giants Shell and BP are planning for global temperatures to rise as much as 5°C by the middle of the century. The level is more than double the upper limit committed to by most countries in the world under the Paris Climate Agreement, which both companies publicly support.” At the edge of extinction only lies remain
BP and Shell planning for catastrophic 5 degrees C Global Warming despite publicly backing Paris climate agreement" https://kevinhester.live/2017/11/23/we- ... y-thought/

I remember not that long ago when the tipping point was closer to +1.7*C from pre-industrial. It was always between +1.5 and just under +2*C. Then people started using 1850 instead of 1700 or even 1750 as the start of the industrial age. Some are using absurd later span averages, too. It was part of the error parameters to think it was +1.5*C global since pre-industrial, and +5*C Artcic, plus or minus .2*C. The present increase from actual pre-indistrial is past the error protocol. It was established from studies of the PETM, and the rate of thermal gain is going way past that period. It is bad enough the way it is, let alone to be in a runaway to something worse than the PETM. Beam me up, Scotty!!!

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:08 am ]
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The clathrate guns are going off, heading toward the clathrate cannons. Look at all the pink over ESAS and the Kara Sea........
http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/soundings ... h4.074.gif

Too many in denial for too long, with too many people in the world for far too long, breeding like yeast more than actual intelligent beings. I joined here in 2005, and it was already too late. Groups of mad young people thinking that overpopulation is still OK (like with the immigrant overbreeder groups) and wanting to "fight" "climate change", by having the government do it all for them. They never wanted to sacrifice like I did and others did. They never wanted to do the brutal labor or coordination and heavy
calculations to build their own solar ecologically correct housing and business buildings. They wanted everyone to be perfect vegans like them, but without having no kids, without being all solar, and without all the travel in cars and jets. They wanted to forget that plants have feelings, too. The bulk just wanted business as usual until all the fossil fuels are burned up, then use nuclear, and level off at 12 billion or some such nonsense.
Some wanted to end all industrialization and go back to farming in villages, when even that has a numbers limit that has been exceeded. Religions, cultures, and the kill cult, have all been extremely negative influences in increasing numbers. Increasing numbers of people, of money, of converts, of chemicals, of plastics, of pipelines, and weapons that never killed enough to make much of a dent in the upward climb. The dumbing down has been disgusting to me, along with the greed. The high hopes of Earth Day One followed by the utter selfishness of the whiners who didn't really want to reduce anything.
Out of PC they allowed the dumbing down of our schools, the lowering of requirements for those groups who just were too stupid, and with it lower income. Bringing down a greater and greater percentage of those who were smart and qualified, but not in their clique of whatever. Finally, the debt far past the annual gross national product, and the debt to nature far higher.
Instead of increasing intolerance and decreasing compassion for the ecologically stupid, we get most emphasis on the 1.5% who are weirdos, or the quarter who turn women into second class citizens, and very little on those in a small minority living green in all ways. As ignorant as a herd of cows chewing their cud, or a wad of yeast poisoning themselves with their own wastes. Not realizing they are destroying an entire planetary biosphere for millions of years, and not even caring.
The clathrate guns firing, and killing the worthy along with the unworthy, the good few with the bad majority. I pray for Divine Intervention to kill off the bad majority, replenish and clean the Earth, so that most species live, and the humans left are in harmony and understanding of their gift from God. https://lenbilen.files.wordpress.com/20 ... =660&h=495


Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Tue May 01, 2018 7:21 pm ]
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from the link above :
"We are certainly on the verge of releasing a huge amount of permafrost and seafloor methane within a very short time; we may also be on the brink of methane catastrophe. By our own actions -- by our continuing and increasing use of carbon fuels -- we are slowly but inexorably creating the conditions during which a such a methane release, catastrophic or more gradual, could occur. We probably have time to prevent a catastrophe, but there is a certain non-negligible possibility that we have already crossed -- or will shortly cross -- an invisible threshold that will render a methane catastrophe inevitable and unstoppable.

Major anthropogenic global warming by carbon dioxide and possible methane catastrophe will be events more cataclysmic than any that can befall Earth, except for an impact with a giant asteroid or comet, or a stellar explosion in our neighborhood of the Milky Way. These other events, however, are quite rare and unlikely in our immediate future.

Major anthropogenic global warming by carbon dioxide and possible methane catastrophe, by contrast, are highly likely and much more immediate. More importantly, unlike those other possible cataclysms, both are preventable -- probably -- if we take them seriously, begin to understand them, and -- most difficult of all -- begin to take steps to avert them.

It has become fashionable to dismiss predictions of catastrophe, partly because they have become so common. Many of us have become jaded, what with one such prediction after another. We used to hear a good deal about nuclear holocaust, or nuclear winter, but as those threats seem to have faded in the public consciousness, there are others which have replaced it. We now hear of doomsday asteroids, the ozone hole, SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), bird flu, global warming, and the obliteration of species. The number of threats seems to be increasing.

And, actually, that number is increasing."
The latest shows a zero ice condition in the Arctic will be reached 2022. At or before that time there will be insufficient coldness to stop the rapid self release of the first 50 billion tons of methane from ESAS, as per the team of Dr. Shakhova. That is when the methane apocalypse starts. Navies of the world are up there waiting to ignite it so it is 1/4 the warming potential. However there is 1500GTs of it up there just in clathrates. Perhaps, ignorance is bliss.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-metha ... re/5638298

The Methane Time Bomb and the Future of the Biosphere
By Dr. Andrew Glikson
Global Research, April 29, 2018

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Tue May 29, 2018 10:13 am ]
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https://www.sciencealert.com/massive-un ... any-moment

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:18 pm ]
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https://jembendell.wordpress.com/2018/0 ... -read-yet/
The study on collapse they thought you should not read – yet
Posted by jembendell on July 26, 2018
A research paper concluding that climate-induced collapse is now inevitable, was recently rejected by anonymous reviewers of an academic journal.
It has been released directly by the Professor who wrote it, to promote discussion of the necessary deep adaptation to climate chaos.
“I am releasing this paper immediately, directly, because I can’t wait any longer in exploring how to learn the implications of the social collapse we now face,” explained the author Dr Bendell, a full Professor of Sustainability Leadership.

"a secondary review of research now indicates near term social collapse". "it is time we consider the implications of it being too late to avert a global environmental catastrophe in the lifetimes of people alive today. " "The warming of the Arctic reached wider public awareness as it has begun destabilizing winds in the higher atmosphere, specifically the jet stream and the northern polar vortex, leading to extreme movements of warmer air north in to the Arctic and cold air to the south. At one point in early 2018, temperature recordings from the Arctic were 20 degrees Celsius above the average for that date." "the current (CO2 sequestration) technology needs to be scaled by a factor of 2 million times within 2 years, all powered by renewables, alongside massive emission cuts, to reduce the amount of heating already locked into the system." "Clearly a massive campaign and policy agenda to transform agriculture and restore ecosystems globally is needed right now. It will be a huge undertaking, undoing 60 years of developments in world agriculture." "In 2010 a group of scientists published a study that warned how the warming of the Arctic could lead to a speed and scale of methane release that would be catastrophic to life on earth through atmospheric heating of over 5 degrees within just a few years of such a release." " Data published by scientists from the Arctic News (2018) website indicates that in March 2018 at mid altitudes, methane was around 1865 parts per billion (ppb), which represents a 1.8 percent increase of 35 ppb from the same time in 2017, while surface measurements of methane increased by about 15 ppb in that time. Both figures are consistent with a non-linear increase - potentially exponential - in atmospheric levels since 2007." "The truly shocking information on the trends in climate change and its impacts on ecology and society are leading some to call for us to experiment with geoengineering the climate, from fertilizing the oceans so they photosynthesize more CO2, to releasing chemicals in the upper atmosphere so the Sun’s rays are reflected." "when I say starvation, destruction, migration, disease and war, I mean in your own life. With the power down, soon you wouldn’t have water coming out of your tap. You will depend on your neighbors for food and some warmth. You will become malnourished. You won’t know whether to stay or go. You will fear being violently killed before starving to death." "strategic denial to maintain striving and identity is easily seen in online debates about the latest climate science." "valid and useful hope is something that we must explore." "In pursuit of a conceptual map of “deep adaptation,” we can conceive of resilience of human societies as the capacity to adapt to changing circumstances so as to survive with valued norms and behaviors."

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