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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:30 pm 
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Coal if well known as a significant source of green house gas and its use has many efficient substitutes. The primary use is electrical power generation. The move in the US to replace the use of coal as a primary energy source is a corner stone it is drive for GHG reductions.
So why is it OK for the US to ship the displaced coal to China at a rate of 6 to 7 million tonnes per year while claiming victory on its GHG reductions. To make matters worse they are using the cross border agreements in place for rail traffic to ship it to the newly expanded Port of Vancouver for load out.
Hypocrites
Today President Obama denied approval for the XL pipeline as it was not in the US interests. So why is coal shipments through Canada in Canadian interests. US jobs saved in Montana and Wyoming that would have been displaced with the coal while hiding the shipments through one of the most noted environmental activist locations in Canada.

Shame on Canada

https://dogwoodinitiative.org/beyondcoal/learn-more

http://thetyee.ca/News/2014/08/21/Coal- ... -Approved/

Bituminus coal conversion rates for the US region that is shipping coal through the Post of Vancouver is average 207. At the now reported ship rate of 12 million tons of coal per year that equates to about 2.5 billion tons of CO2 per year emitted in China. The world emission rates for GHG as CO2 are 32 billion tones per year so these US coal shipments would equate to around 5% of the GHG emissions related to CO2 emissions. The entire tar sands in Canada has been estimated at .02% of the worlds GHG emissions so who is fooling who. Dirty Oil or Dirty Coal. It is time that we stop the "poster child" syndrome and deal with the real culprits. This "not in my back yard" approach must stop. US investors in the rail companies and US investors in the Port of Vancouver Coal Port expansion are reaping the returns while the "enviro" flag is flying high over the tar sands.

Rail shipments will now prevail in oil shipments as they are with coal shipments, with the ruling on XL. So again who is benefiting? Propaganda is still a powerful tool and the well informed Environment community looks to be the stooges.

There is shame all around.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:14 pm 
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I think the greed and lies will continue until there is no more economy, and only exponential warming with the population crashing. Stupidity and insanity seem to rule, and it is past time to stop Thermageddon or the human population crash. I had hoped Cascadia would have initiated it in time, or some other very large disaster like La Palma, or a large Katla eruption from Iceland. All due, geologically.
Now, even a very rapid 95% drop in population and its emissions will not stop the progression to
massive methane self release, and the end of Earth as we knew it.
The stinking coal and oil should have been thought, rightly so, as being 'evil', but greed held its nose, and lost all common sense.
This stupid greed has gone on for some time in Vancouver, with its raw sewage pouring into the Strait.

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This is all well and good, but what do you propose to replace coal? The United States is not the largest user of coal. China consumes 49% of the worlds coal. The United States consumes 11%. So the solution is to get the United States to change? It seems to me if you really care about reducing greenhouse gas emissions you need to figure out how to get the Chinese to quit burning the stuff.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=16271

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Chinese production and consumption of coal increased for the 13th consecutive year in 2012. China is by far the world's largest producer and consumer of coal, accounting for 46% of global coal production and 49% of global coal consumption—almost as much as the rest of the world combined. As a manufacturing country that has large electric power requirements, China's coal consumption fuels its economic growth. China's gross domestic product (GDP) grew 7.7% in 2012, following an average GDP growth rate of 10% per year from 2000 to 2011.
The top 10 coal-producing countries supplied 90% of the world's coal in 2012. China produced nearly four times as much coal as the second largest producer, the United States, which had a 12% share of global production. China has accounted for 69% of the 3.2 billion ton increase in global coal production over the past 10 years.
The top 10 coal-consuming countries consumed 85% of the world's coal in 2012. Eight of the 10 largest producers are among the top 10 consumers. China is the largest coal consumer, accounting for 49% of the world's total coal. The next largest, the United States, consumed 11% of the world's total. China's coal consumption increased by more than 2.3 billion tons over the past 10 years, accounting for 83% of the global increase in coal consumption.
Coal accounts for most of China's energy consumption, and coal has maintained an approximate 70% share of Chinese consumption (on a Btu basis) since at least 1980, the starting date for EIA's global coal data. By way of comparison, coal was 18% of U.S. energy use and 28% of global energy use in 2012.

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Milton Banana wrote:
This is all well and good, but what do you propose to replace coal? The United States is not the largest user of coal. China consumes 49% of the worlds coal. The United States consumes 11%. So the solution is to get the United States to change? It seems to me if you really care about reducing greenhouse gas emissions you need to figure out how to get the Chinese to quit burning the stuff.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=16271

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Chinese production and consumption of coal increased for the 13th consecutive year in 2012. China is by far the world's largest producer and consumer of coal, accounting for 46% of global coal production and 49% of global coal consumption—almost as much as the rest of the world combined. As a manufacturing country that has large electric power requirements, China's coal consumption fuels its economic growth. China's gross domestic product (GDP) grew 7.7% in 2012, following an average GDP growth rate of 10% per year from 2000 to 2011.
The top 10 coal-producing countries supplied 90% of the world's coal in 2012. China produced nearly four times as much coal as the second largest producer, the United States, which had a 12% share of global production. China has accounted for 69% of the 3.2 billion ton increase in global coal production over the past 10 years.
The top 10 coal-consuming countries consumed 85% of the world's coal in 2012. Eight of the 10 largest producers are among the top 10 consumers. China is the largest coal consumer, accounting for 49% of the world's total coal. The next largest, the United States, consumed 11% of the world's total. China's coal consumption increased by more than 2.3 billion tons over the past 10 years, accounting for 83% of the global increase in coal consumption.
Coal accounts for most of China's energy consumption, and coal has maintained an approximate 70% share of Chinese consumption (on a Btu basis) since at least 1980, the starting date for EIA's global coal data. By way of comparison, coal was 18% of U.S. energy use and 28% of global energy use in 2012.


The Chinese are leading in the development of solar and other alternative energies while the US tries to increase the amount of coal it burns just because it goes against the environment.....

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