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Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environment

"Cow corn" is a colloquial term for types of corn which are grown for feeding livestock. It's ubiquitous in rural areas all over southwestern Ontario where I'm originally from. Today, the seeds that farmers use to plant this corn are more often than not of a variety that has been genetically modified.

These crops require chemical treatment. As a result, ground water gets contaminated. The contaminated ground water will eventually seep into our precious lakes and rivers. The anhydrous ammonia that is used for fertilizer dries up the earth which causes high rates of erosion, and it also saps the soil of its fertility. Monsanto's "Roundup" is used as well. This chemical was designed to be an herbicide, but it also kills countless bees and other pollinators.

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

In the spring of 2016, genetically modified alfalfa (hay) seed was released in Canada for the first time ever. Many farmers are up in arms over this development. You see, if this seed is planted, then it could potentially contaminate fields everywhere.

For more info about GM alfalfa, check out: www.cban.ca/alfalfa

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
In the spring of 2016, genetically modified alfalfa (hay) seed was released in Canada for the first time ever. Many farmers are up in arms over this development. You see, if this seed is planted, then it could potentially contaminate fields everywhere.

For more info about GM alfalfa, check out: http://www.cban.ca/alfalfa


There is no damage to the environment though. There is damage to the perception of the product's usage by some, but that is not damage to the environment. Growing previous types of hybrids posed the same problem if there had been a concern at that time.

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
These crops require chemical treatment.


Regular hybrid corn does not require chemical treatment for pests, etc.?

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As a result, ground water gets contaminated. The contaminated ground water will eventually seep into our precious lakes and rivers.


AG was one of the biggest sources of water pollution well before the advent of the current GMO crops. In fact, I have seen figures indicating there is less weight of chemicals applied to GMO crops that "regular" crops.


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The anhydrous ammonia that is used for fertilizer dries up the earth which causes high rates of erosion, and it also saps the soil of its fertility.


That has been the fertilizer used for decades and non-GMO crops get just as much as any other.

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Monsanto's "Roundup" is used as well. This chemical was designed to be an herbicide, but it also kills countless bees and other pollinators.


So do the insecticides used to control pests, right?

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

Wayne Stollings wrote:
SunnysideTroll wrote:
In the spring of 2016, genetically modified alfalfa (hay) seed was released in Canada for the first time ever. Many farmers are up in arms over this development. You see, if this seed is planted, then it could potentially contaminate fields everywhere.

For more info about GM alfalfa, check out: http://www.cban.ca/alfalfa


There is no damage to the environment though. There is damage to the perception of the product's usage by some, but that is not damage to the environment. Growing previous types of hybrids posed the same problem if there had been a concern at that time.



GMOs and hybrids are not the same thing. Hybrid crops are the result of cross-pollination. Genetically modified crops, on the other hand, are the result of mixing the DNA of one plant with the DNA of another plant (or animal). Anyway, there's no real proof that GMOs are actually safe.

"Health Canada does not conduct independent tests but relies on privately owned data submitted by companies applying for product approval." -- Canadian Biotechnology Action Network (CBAN)

You can find out which GMOs are currently present in Canada, by checking out: www.cban.ca

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
SunnysideTroll wrote:
In the spring of 2016, genetically modified alfalfa (hay) seed was released in Canada for the first time ever. Many farmers are up in arms over this development. You see, if this seed is planted, then it could potentially contaminate fields everywhere.

For more info about GM alfalfa, check out: http://www.cban.ca/alfalfa


There is no damage to the environment though. There is damage to the perception of the product's usage by some, but that is not damage to the environment. Growing previous types of hybrids posed the same problem if there had been a concern at that time.



GMOs and hybrids are not the same thing. Hybrid crops are the result of cross-pollination.


Not necessarily, but in any case neither harms the environment over the other.

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Genetically modified crops, on the other hand, are the result of mixing the DNA of one plant with the DNA of another plant (or animal). Anyway, there's no real proof that GMOs are actually safe.


That still does not make them harmful either. As I stated, there is only damage to the perception of the product's usage by some people

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"Health Canada does not conduct independent tests but relies on privately owned data submitted by companies applying for product approval." -- Canadian Biotechnology Action Network (CBAN)


Again this does not indicate harm to the environment.

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You can find out which GMOs are currently present in Canada, by checking out: http://www.cban.ca


I imagine there are others not listed but they have been around for long enough they have been forgotten.

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

"Any politician or scientist who tells you these [GMO] products are safe is either very stupid or lying." -- Dr. David Suzuki, host of CBC's 'The Nature of Things'

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
"Any politician or scientist who tells you these [GMO] products are safe is either very stupid or lying." -- Dr. David Suzuki, host of CBC's 'The Nature of Things'


One opinion does not provide evidence either way. I have not seen any evidence provided of harm other than the perception issue.

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

Lawrence MacAulay currently sits in Cabinet as Minister of Agriculture & Agri-Food. He has a constituency office set up in Montague, PEI. A Cavendish Farms potato processing plant is located in Montague too, and so is a building that houses the Department of Fisheries, Aquaculture and Rural Development. Since MacAulay has held his post in Cabinet, Health Canada has approved the genetically modified Innate potato and genetically modified salmon. Coincidence?

Check out: www.cban.ca/fish

Check out: www.cban.ca/potato

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
Lawrence MacAulay currently sits in Cabinet as Minister of Agriculture & Agri-Food. He has a constituency office set up in Montague, PEI. A Cavendish Farms potato processing plant is located in Montague too, and so is a building that houses the Department of Fisheries, Aquaculture and Rural Development. Since MacAulay has held his post in Cabinet, Health Canada has approved the genetically modified Innate potato and genetically modified salmon. Coincidence?

Check out: http://www.cban.ca/fish

Check out: http://www.cban.ca/potato


Probably not, but not in the way you wish to imply.

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

Genetically engineered (GE) gene drives are what worries me the most these days. A GE gene drive, if you haven't already heard, is a fairly new type of technology that was designed to be used for aggressively spreading a bio-engineered trait among a species or other population in nature. A lot of the sane people of the world are calling for a global moratorium on these potentially hazardous GE gene drives. Anyway, you can find out more about them by downloading info @ http://www.synbiowatch.org/gene-drives/ ... oratorium/

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
Genetically engineered (GE) gene drives are what worries me the most these days. A GE gene drive, if you haven't already heard, is a fairly new type of technology that was designed to be used for aggressively spreading a bio-engineered trait among a species or other population in nature. A lot of the sane people of the world are calling for a global moratorium on these potentially hazardous GE gene drives. Anyway, you can find out more about them by downloading info @ http://www.synbiowatch.org/gene-drives/ ... oratorium/


Some people are worried most about vaccines causing autism, but that does not make the concern based on any real evidence either.

Author:  SunnysideTroll [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

Wayne Stollings wrote:

Some people are worried most about vaccines causing autism, but that does not make the concern based on any real evidence either.


In regards to GMOs being safe for human consumption, you don't seem so concerned about backing up your claims with any real evidence either.

You should check out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=klGmVCjQ-44

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:

Some people are worried most about vaccines causing autism, but that does not make the concern based on any real evidence either.


In regards to GMOs being safe for human consumption, you don't seem so concerned about backing up your claims with any real evidence either.

You should check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klGmVCjQ-44


I did not make the broad claim you did, but there have been GMOs consumed without problem for decades. They were randomly mutated using chemicals or radiation which is clearly more of a concern than the modification of specific genes.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.102 ... 4.85465.4f

Abstract

During the past seventy years, worldwide more than 2250 varieties have been released that have been derived either as direct mutants or from their progenies. Induction of mutations with radiation has been the most frequently used method for directly developed mutant varieties. The prime strategy in mutation-based breeding has been to upgrade the well-adapted plant varieties by altering one or two major traits, which limit their productivity or enhance their quality value. In this paper, the global impact of mutation-derived varieties on food production and quality enhancement is presented. In addition, the economic contribution of the selected mutant varieties of rice, barley, cotton, groundnut, pulses, sunflower, rapeseed and Japanese pear is discussed. In several mutation-derived varieties, the changed traits have resulted in synergistic effect on increasing the yield and quality of the crop, improving agronomic inputs, crop rotation, and consumer acceptance. In contrast to the currently protected plant varieties or germplasm and increasing restrictions on their use, the induced mutants have been freely available for plant breeding. Many mutants have made transnational impact on increasing yield and quality of several seed-propagated crops. Induced mutations will continue to have an increasing role in creating crop varieties with traits such as modified oil, protein and starch quality, enhanced uptake of specific metals, deeper rooting system, and resistance to drought, diseases and salinity as a major component of the environmentally sustainable agriculture. Future research on induced mutations would also be important in the functional genomics of many food crops.

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: GMOs can cause significant destruction to the environmen

SunnysideTroll wrote:


There were possibilities given but what definitive evidence of harm?

You might try this approach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOWZGky6Rc0

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