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Author:  Snowy123 [ Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Best Environmental Candidate?

Looking ahead to the 2020 election, was wondering what people thought as to who is currently the best candidate for the environment. Currently Greenpeace puts Bernie Sanders as the only candidate with an A+, but I was wondering if others had a different perspective on the environmental plans that have been put out thus far.

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Best Environmental Candidate?

I think the environmental position is but one aspect to consider. You can support the best environmental candidate ever, but if there is not sufficient support for election it becomes a potential problem if the more electable but lesser environmental candidate losses to the worse environmental candidate. It will not be a problem as long as everyone supports the better environmental candidate after the primaries. I mention this because the "Bernie or None" approach by some in the 2016 election helped bring the worst environmental candidate into office.

As long as we can keep the worst candidate out we are making some improvement. A sad but true situation for us all.

Author:  Snowy123 [ Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
I think the environmental position is but one aspect to consider. You can support the best environmental candidate ever, but if there is not sufficient support for election it becomes a potential problem if the more electable but lesser environmental candidate losses to the worse environmental candidate. It will not be a problem as long as everyone supports the better environmental candidate after the primaries. I mention this because the "Bernie or None" approach by some in the 2016 election helped bring the worst environmental candidate into office.

As long as we can keep the worst candidate out we are making some improvement. A sad but true situation for us all.


Agree. In the primary, a key focus should be getting the best environmental candidate that convincingly beats Trump in the polling numbers. But if the best environmental candidate does not make it through, a B ultimately is better than an F when the general election rolls around.

Author:  Bob-a-rama [ Sat Nov 23, 2019 12:10 pm ]
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I think a problem with Bernie is (1) he lost his momentum - even though it was unfair, he lost the nomination and thus in many people's minds he is a loser <not mine> (2) he has gotten too old and probably won't be able to do two terms.

So while he may be the best candidate for the ecology and although I do agree with a lot of what he says, I won't vote for him in the primary. If he gets the nomination though, I will vote for him in the General Election.

I haven't decided who I will vote for yet.

One thing I did learn is that in the general election, I will not vote for a third party. Voting against the mostly corporate lap-dog Republican party is too important and voting third party is not a vote against those like Trump and Moscow Mitch.

Bob

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:46 pm ]
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Here is my candidate!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I-PQxu ... DsW9RYCXiM

Author:  Wayne Stollings [ Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:35 pm ]
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Johhny Electriglide wrote:


You are voting for water bears? :eh:

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:26 pm ]
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Well, finally a politician talks about overpopulation since Nixon in 1969. Both parties have no courage to face the elephant in the room, but Bernie finally did. I would like to see a Bernie/Tulsi ticket. It seems the powers that be and the too little too late crowd along with XR people ignorant of; ocean heat already melting the Arctic sea ice cover on ESAS's1400GTs of methane clathrate deposits at 50 m, which will take 3 years after a large enough area is opened, to begin mass methane blowouts, and exponential heat gain to near thermal max at near 100% global humidity and cloud cover.

Author:  Bob-a-rama [ Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:55 pm ]
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I like Bernie but fear he is too old to get a second term.

But basically, I'll vote for mostly and perhaps all Democrats right now. That is unless the GOP turns around and starts working for the people instead of the oligarchs.

And the Dems aren't innocent of that, but simply right now the lesser of the two evils.

Bob

Author:  Snowy123 [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:33 pm ]
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Would have liked to see Bernie as the nominee, he would have been fantastic for environmental issues. At this point I'll vote for Biden come the general election, only real option and the only alternative to the absolute mess we have now.

Author:  Bob-a-rama [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:46 pm ]
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I agree. Voting for anybody but Biden helps Trump and we must get rid of him. He is the worst environmental candidate in modern times.

Author:  Snowy123 [ Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:45 pm ]
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Bob-a-rama wrote:
I agree. Voting for anybody but Biden helps Trump and we must get rid of him. He is the worst environmental candidate in modern times.


Good news is that things ended up working out with booting out a horrible environmental president. His refusal to concede is just so unbecoming of any democratically elected president. But with him, the bar is already so low, so not exactly a surprise that he would try to pull something like this off.

Author:  Johhny Electriglide [ Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:25 pm ]
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It is a bummer that so much fraud has gone on. Looking at the graph showing Arctic sea ice collapse, the tipping point of methane turnover, was 1980, and 40years for CO2 momentum puts zero global emissions should have been 1940 and population control globally should have started in 1880. So, who are you going to blame? When it was known, Nixon addressed the democratic congress, who with Carter chickened out on doing anything to lower the polluting US overpopulation, and leading the world back in 1969. Then Earth Day One and on with no rapid population reduction strategy and too late to stop methane runaway by easier methods than the present aerosol event 20% larger than Toba and its dismal 1% survival rate, 11 year global winter with caveats. Still, that is within the dormancy ability and actually much better than an extinction event worse than the Permian.

Author:  Bob-a-rama [ Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:01 pm ]
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Well, thankfully we did get the lesser of the two evils.

The problem with the Democratic party though is they are acting like conservative Republicans of old. Biden got elected mostly because many people voted against Trump, not for Biden.

The Democrats need to get back to being the party of the working class and strong environmentalists. If the Republicans are going to act like the UK Torry party, the Democrats need to act like the Labor party and the green party combined. Give is someone we want to vote for instead of someone to use to vote against the greater of the two evils.

We also need to get rid of propaganda disguised as news. I don't know how to do that though.

Bob

Author:  Snowy123 [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:19 pm ]
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Bob-a-rama wrote:
Well, thankfully we did get the lesser of the two evils.

The problem with the Democratic party though is they are acting like conservative Republicans of old. Biden got elected mostly because many people voted against Trump, not for Biden.

The Democrats need to get back to being the party of the working class and strong environmentalists. If the Republicans are going to act like the UK Torry party, the Democrats need to act like the Labor party and the green party combined. Give is someone we want to vote for instead of someone to use to vote against the greater of the two evils.

We also need to get rid of propaganda disguised as news. I don't know how to do that though.

Bob


All fantastic points.

I'm not sure what the Democratic party was expecting when they were trying to pander more toward anti-Trump Republicans compared to actual progressives this past election. Sure that might work for the top of the ticket, but good luck getting anti-Trump Republicans to vote for Democrats for all of the remaining down ballot races.

Author:  Bob-a-rama [ Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:43 pm ]
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I'm an older guy, but I lean with the more progressives like Bernie, AOC and the like. I guess I never stopped being a hippie. The media didn't turn me into the 'me generation'.

I've seen well over 90% of the wildlife disappear from the Everglades. In ponds where there used to be thousands of wading birds, I can now count fewer than 10.

The lagoon where the fish used to almost jump in your boat is all but dead now. I don't fish it any more, but when my neighbor actually catches one, which is rare, it has tumors on it and it gets thrown back in the water.

We need the new green deal, but of course, corporate profits are at stake so there is a lot of propaganda disguised as news out there.

Capitalism has failed us. I don't know how to fix it, communism wasn't the answer, but capitalism depends on infinite growth, and we can't have infinite growth in a closed system.

Humans are like an algae bloom, but in slow motion, and we are killing our host 'pond', the Earth, and there is no where to go when we kill this one.

Bob

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