I heard someone say once "Don't come to me with a problem....unless you also have the solution.'
Ok; you feel consumerism is out of control and bad....
How do we change that? Just telling someone their house is ugly without suggesting where they might get some new paint for it doesn't serve much point.
It seems you like going round and round in circles with endless discussions, debates and arguments. Society will have to bring down the production of consumer goods to the minimum level to save ecosystems.
I agree Sushi. But it's incredibly complicated. Our entire way of being, our economic system, our livelihoods are based on this system of consumption. We could consume less, buy less, have less but that would endanger the economic system we've been building up at least since the Industrial Revolution. The idea of GNP/GDP growth is absolutely unsustainable and will come crashing down - it must. Technology in itself is not to blame. It's far more complicated than that. Possibly the earth could sustain our present pop and more if we weren't consuming so much of the environment.
The situation is crystal clear. The logic is simple and very obvious.
Our planet is just 40,000 km in circumference.
If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter the ecosystems will last longer.
If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods
the ecosystems will get destroyed much sooner [ Most of the ecosystems have already been destroyed to a great extent - we are heading towards complete destruction within the next two decades]
I agree but I don't think it is helpful to play the blame game.
The insane solution of western civilization is - bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.
There are sustainable technologies.
Trust the western world to come up with gems of solutions.
After the financial collapse the response of west is - make all efforts to increase consumption/ consumerism - make all efforts to increase growth rate - economy rate - GDP.
Yes, it is the very samew highway to hell. (Thanks AC/DC)
The west has not learned the lesson from financial collapse - The west will only learn the lesson from ecosystem collapse.But wait - maybe there is no reason to worry - the western God is going to create another world [ with all the ecosystems ] in six days.
We will all learn the lesson from ecosystem collapse but only if we survive it. We're all in this together. So if you want dialogue - my suggestion to you is not to blame. Could you try another tact?
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