Wayne Stollings wrote:
Johhny Electriglide wrote:
We ARE limited to Earth. What is with you, Wayne? You used to be on the logical side, with the ecologists and most of the climatologists. A voice of reason, and often with good data and links. Maybe you need more anti-oxidants and B-vitamins.
No, we are CURRENTLY limited to one planet, but we have sufficient technology to begin colonization of the Moon and Mars if we had the direction. That technology shoud improve with time. With the advent of private space travel the probability of private colonies increases with each year. At some point the equation then changes to indicate the added growth potential.
No Wayne. This really is a bizarre idea. Some people have religion to hinge their hopes on and it seems you have hinged your hopes on science. You have an idea that is purely based on science and rationality and therefore ..... f@cked! Have you not seen where this line of so called reason and scientifically rational has placed us? (rhetorical question .....)
And what do you expect? A change in human nature that will trigger a divine intervention that will reverse the problems we have created? Or maybe science will find a way to reverse the problems, but that would be a very ironic hope for you. The only other option is the problems we created eliminate us as a species to allow the next species to evolve to this level a shot at it.
It's as if you would like us to take our problems to another planet and not expect those problems to uccur there too because we are now in a different geographical place.
Actually it would cause us to make some very important changes. You cannot be very wasteful in a colony with little resourses. You cannot terraform a planet like Mars and pollute it at the same time. So, yes moving to a new planet would force changes in our lifestyle.
It's as if you think the solutions to our problems is to take them to another place ..... and once we are there, our problems will be solved?
Just some of them and there would be new ones just as there has been throughout our history.
You are missing the point entirely! You cannot take the problems you are having in Greece to Florida! We will always take our problems with us no matter where we are. Creating a "moon-base" might be plausiblle and hopeful and interesting .... but it is never a real solution.
I suppose extinction is the next best solution then ......
How do you relocate a crisis in consciousness? You can't. We can't. It is our crisis and we will bring it with us wherever we go .... Science cannot solve this for us Wayne. It is not the panacea. It may have SOME answers and it may have some part, but we are faced with a much wider recognizing ... a much more holistic perspective than your ultra male brain is capable of. (Had to throw that in .... because your thinking is male .... and getting old by the minute. Not that I have anything against male thinking. In fact, I love it! When well placed)
Just waiting for divine intervention then are we?
You can't avoid it with scientific possibilities Wayne. Relocating our crisis to another planet will only relocate that very same crisis as if geographical place solves all.
No, there is little fossil fuels on either the Moon or Mars so that one problem goes away.
We cannot take our current understanding to another planet and not expect the same problems there as we have now. If we can't figure it our here .... how in the world are we going to figure it out there?
We have figured things out without remaining stagnant in one location and we can in the future if we survive. If we do not survive it does not matter to us anyway.
I don't care if it is scientifically possible because we have many scientifically proven solutions, but they are not solutions at all. If we can not even understand that we are connected HERE, and if we cannot figure this basic understanding out HERE, how are we going to figure it out THERE? We cannot solely depend on rationality and logic to dig us out of this mess because rationality is ONLY one arm
And the other is faith? Like the faith that opposes birth control because it was necessary to have a lot of children if a few were to survive at one point in our history?
If we can't figure it out in France how are we going to figure it out in Italy? If we can't figure it out on Earth, how are we going to figure it out on Mars or the Moon?
If it gives us extra time to figure it out and new views to assist, how exactly is that wrong?
Aaaaugh! It is these same rationalities that lead you to believe GMO's are a plausible answer because they solve the immediate answers to our current problems.
Starvation is also a plausible answer to the same current problems, but not one I would like to make. There are no other plausible answers at this point.
Moving to the Moon would solve some problems..... as would GMO's ... Monsanto or otherwise. But they do not address the root problems and we must .....
So we ignore all of the problems that may kill many of us off to concentrate on what you believe is a more important problem? Thanks, but no.