I like this statement by Sushi, and agree:
"Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners"
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| Author: | sushilydv [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:24 am ] |
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. India celebrated Ganesha Chaturthi yesterday, the Hindu festival celebrated on the birthday (rebirth) of Lord Ganesha, the Elephant headed God. After torturing, slaughtering and decimating Elephants with Industrial Activity, millions of Indians worshipped the Elephant headed God for wisdom, prosperity and good fortune. What wisdom!!! What kind of prosperity and good fortune do people expect after destroying biodiversity and ecosystems with Industrial Activity??? After destroying nature, man will not even exist on earth. . . After destroying planet Earth.....After destroying most of the biodiversity and ecosystems, Industrial Society should be in mourning but it wants to celebrate instead. It wants to celebrate Holi, Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals. If Industrial Society had any shame there would have been no celebrations in the past , no celebrations for the next thousands of years.....only mourning. Industrial Society is a curse on this planet. Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years. Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!! Celebrate Holi, Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals!!!!.....Go Shopping.....Spend Money.....Buy Gifts....Buy thousands of consumer goods and services.....Promote and Accelerate Industrial Activity which will kill even more Biodiversity and Ecosystems. And then wait for next year to celebrate the death of nature once more. . . Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth. Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth. Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners. Stop Education.....Close Down Universities. Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities. . |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:44 pm ] |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:49 pm ] |
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The many tons of nuclear waste should have started being fuel for waste using Gen IV reactors back in 1994 (read Hansen's "Storms of MY Grandchildren"). I agree, most of the holidays and festivals are ridiculous and ways for people to consume more. The advertizing is sickening. Too many sales people, too many advertisers, too many spammers, and first, way too many people. The pre-Columbian North America had mostly migration/traveling bands of people. Some stayed in one place until long term drought hit, and others had basically summer and winter camp spots. The wise ones would get them to move when resources and game started to get low, and their waste piles too deep and smelly. When there were too many, they would go to war with nearby tribes. When the Vikings "discovered" America in 998 and set up a village, they eventually had to join the Chippewa to survive the harsh winters. So the Chippewas are the only tribe with all five genetic markers of the Solutrians of France. Whites are closest to the tribes of both North and South America, genetically. India and China have both been far beyond long term interglacial sustainability for over a thousand years, suffering numerous plagues, famines, and wars because of it. That was at the agrarian society level with some water powered mills and factories making tools and other things. In those places the need would be to get to what the population was at least 1400 years ago. Similar in Europe and the middle east, and islands. The Americas were at sustainable population long term when Columbus came with the Spanish conquest. Seeing the mass die-off of humanity can not be stopped, after 2050 there will be little industrialization. With increasing climate fluctuation failing crops every third year or less, the agrarian society will have a tough go especially with roving bands of thieves and killers. With aquifers dry and most soil ruined, the population will not be able to rise much, and in fact will decrease as temperatures rise and other pollution or geologic events happen. The day of population zero will be when the surface is too inhospitable for human life. Underground and space colonies may or may not last very much longer. The underground colonies will run out of fuel or some critical supplies and the surface will not provide them sometime in the over 200K year resequestration period. The space voyager colonies may find a good planet, but the odds are against it. If they do, they probably will not return to Earth in several million years when it is liveable for humans (maybe) again. Never stop education is my opinion, even in a failing ecosystem. |
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| Author: | sushilydv [ Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:39 pm ] |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:09 am ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:21 am ] |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:34 pm ] |
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Industrial-agricultural society, some hope but not much. A little blast from the past. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/20/scien ... 0MANA.html |
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| Author: | sushilydv [ Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:16 am ] |
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. It is pointless to criticize agrarian society for environmental destruction when we are currently living in industrial society which is millions of times more destructive than agrarian society. The current destruction of environment is happening because of Industrial Activity. This destruction of environment can only be stooped by stopping industrial activity (or minimizing it). Criticism of agrarian society is not going to stop the environmental destruction that is currently happening because of industrial activity. It would make sense to criticize agrarian society only if we somehow manage to return back to agrarian stage. . . If someone falls sick today in industrial society and goes to the doctor, he has to be given some kind of treatment or medicine today to get well. He is not going to get well if the doctor instead of giving him treatment or medicine gives him a lecture on how people used to be treated for sickness in agrarian society. . |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:08 am ] |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:25 pm ] |
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| Author: | sushilydv [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:36 am ] |
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. This is regarding the issue of how much Industrial Activity can be allowed on this planet. A person has been drinking heavily for decades and his liver is almost totally damaged.....How much more drinking is advisable to him??? A person has been smoking heavily for decades and his lungs are about to collapse.....How much more smoking is advisable to him??? A person is being stabbed repeatedly and is on the verge of dying.....How much more stabbing can he take??? A person is being shot repeatedly and is on the verge of dying.....How much more shooting can he take??? . . Hundred years of relentless Industrial Activity has already destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth. There is hardly anything left. The planet is dying and gasping for last breath. How much more Industrial Activity is recommended for the planet??? . |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:21 pm ] |
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I come from a farming and ranching background. Some day maybe somebody will explain how modern agriculture and the industrial world are neatly separable. Besides transportation, the grid, massive forest clearance, fossil fuel based fertilizer etc. you have the overwhelming majority claim on industrial extracted and delivered water. I will admit I kind of liked the ranching affinity for the local low tech. blacksmith. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:49 pm ] |
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I like this statement by Sushi, and agree: "Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners"
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| Author: | sushilydv [ Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:03 am ] |
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. Man has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of other species......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has decimated forests of the world ......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has littered the entire planet with billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has decimated fish in the oceans......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has made the oceans acidic and warmer and has created oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has poisoned the planet for the next thousands of years with thousands of tonnes of highly Radioactive Nuclear Waste......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has killed billions of acres of Fertile Soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has destroyed billions of acres of Agricultural Top Soil with millions of tonnes of Insecticides, Pesticides and Fertilizers......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has destroyed mountains, rivers and lakes......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has made the weather extreme, irregular and unpredictable with Industrial Activity......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Man has destroyed the entire planet......And people are still working for Human Welfare. Human Welfare.....More Human Welfare......More and More Human Welfare. I am sick of hearing about human welfare. This planet is home to millions of species, not just man alone. This planet is not the private property of man who can do whatever he wants. This world would have been perfect without man. Why was the human race created on earth??? If I had access to a button which could kill all industrialized humans, I would press it right now. . . For God's sake forget human welfare and think about the welfare of the planet. Welfare of nature is millions of times more important than human welfare. Man will not even exist on earth without nature. . . Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth. Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth. Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners. Stop Education.....Close Down Universities. Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities. . . If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever. If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month. That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP. . |
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