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Millions of people around the world [including me]are posting text and pictures of environmental destruction every day.

This thing is getting destroyed......That thing is getting destroyed.

Millions of posts every day and not an iota of environment getting saved.

Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a disease and insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television, Telephone and Internet.

Billions of Pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another harmful waste produced by Industrial Society which has generated billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste.

Discussion cannot save environment.

Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment for millions of years through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

Billions of pages discussion is making industrial society more and more insane, day by day, moment by moment.
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Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.
Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

Millions in this world have died and killed for Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions.

When it comes to environment, the most important thing on earth (without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist) people are quite content to just engage in billions of pages of discussion, debate and argument, which is not saving an iota of environment.

The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

Radical Actions are needed.

Drastic measures are needed.

Industrial Activity must be stopped.

By any means, By all means.

Right Now.

A few years later would be too late.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:59 am 
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This is for the pseudo-environmentalists who have been preaching for 50 years that earth can be made green by planting trees.

Earth cannot be made green by planting trees.

Earth can only be made green by not cutting down trees with Industrial Activity.

Forests are not saved by planting trees.

Forests are saved by not destroying them with Industrial Activity.

Nature has been doing the work of planting trees for millions of years.....If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees, plants and vegetation by itself..... That is how nature grew all the forests in this world over a period of millions of years.

Millions of animal and bird species worked for millions of years to build up all the forests in the world....Millions of animal and bird species helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants all over the world.....Wind and water helped in spreading the seeds of billions of trees and plants over billions of acres of fertile soil across the world.

Before the arrival of man all the land in this world that could grow forests had forests on it......except for places like Deserts, Rocky Mountains and Glaciers which do not support vegetation.

Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.

Man first cut down forests for agriculture and villages..... After Industrial Revolution extra forests have been cut down for Towns and Cities, for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks, Thousands of Ports & Airports and Industrial Farming of Animals.

You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.

But this is not the case.

Where should we start planting trees???.....Where should we grow forests???

On billions of acres of cement, concrete and asphalt????.....In cities and towns???.....On millions of kilometers of roads and rail networks???.....On ports and airports????....In millions of golf courses, sports stadiums and Formula One race tracks???.....On millions of shopping malls and buildings???....On mining sites and industrial zones???
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And even if you somehow manage to replace trees that have been destroyed [which is an impossibility] how are you ever going to replace the populations of millions of species of animals, birds and insects that lived in the forests and died when the forests were cut down for Industrial Activity???

Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself...... Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment..... Once a Forest is destroyed, it is gone for millions of years..... One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees...... Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests in the world....The very few forests that remain on earth can only be saved by stopping Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services.

For millions of years on earth forests were saved because they were not destroyed by Industrial Activity.

Anyone can see the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - Before and After.....One can see the satellite pictures of forests taken 50 years ago and compare them with the pictures taken this year.

Forests have been decimated by Industrial Activity.

100 years of Industrial Activity has destroyed the forests which were created by nature in millions of years.

Earth cannot be made green by planting trees.

Earth can only be made green by not cutting down trees with Industrial Activity.

[And finally, We cannot save environment by just greening the planet......We have to stop decimation of millions of species too.....We have to also stop the poisoning, warming and acidification of rivers and oceans by industrial activity and waste.....We have to prevent creation of oxygen deprived dead zones in oceans......We have to also save the planet from billions of tonnes of Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste......We have to also save billions of acres of fertile soil from getting killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.....There can be no piecemeal solutions.....We have to save every thing]
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:06 pm 
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You know that if overpopulation was addressed strongly in the late 1960s, we would not have the choice of radical decarbonization or extinction.
One thing necessary still, is population reduction to sustainable at a way of life that is healthy for people and the biosphere.
Back at one billion in 1806, humans had not exceeded the pollution ability of the biosphere, nor depleted soils and other necessary resources. Some areas, even then, were still grossly overpopulated like India and China. China started industrialization before fossil fuels, to provide for their overpopulation.
Human over-crowding causes hostility, depression, and anxiety. Grave mental disorders that get millions in prison or hospitalized, or on medications not filtered out in rivers. This crowding makes those who are crowd intolerant--a positive ecological trait, crazy and wanting to escape.
Many have and come to America to overbreed and consume. So the change from the 1924 Immigration Act has ruined the chances for survival of most Americans by the early 2040s. India and China will not make it through the 2030s.
The use of fossil fuel(at over 500,000 times its replenishment rate), and deforestation with slash and burn agriculture, has ruined our planetary environment to the point of near the tipping point of the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback loop, after which nothing humanly possible will stop a very fast heat increase and extinction completion.
People will be getting more of their minds destroyed as they starve and crash, in the heat getting quickly hotter. :-({|=
You are right about the tree planters who really need to plant an impossible number of trees to make up for human fossil fuel and other burning---seven trillion trees a year? Each person planting 1000 trees a year? Well, we know that won't happen....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:20 pm 
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Yes, we are facing many problems today.

The ultimate source of all the problems is industrialization.

Largescale migration/ Intercontinental migration happened because of Industrial Transportation.......Industrial Ships and Airplanes, Rail and Road networks.

Industrial Communication has also played a big role in migration......Before people migrate in Industrial Society, most of them have already communicated with people and Institutions on the other side and they know where they are going to stay and what kind of work they will do in the new place.

Problems are many.....but the root cause is industrialization.


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Industrial Society is a lunatic society where Psychologists and Psychiatrists are engaging in endless debate on the issue of Mental Illness......Whether industrialization has led to increase in mental illness.

Height of Insanity!!!

Industrial Society has destroyed the entire planet......Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere......Can there be a bigger sign and proof of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality???

In 100 years Industrial Society has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.......Can there be a bigger sign and proof of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality???

More than 99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed.

Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization.

There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99%.

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer and there are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.
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Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as Abnormal.

The reality is the entire Industrial Society is Abnormal.

The Judiciary and Law Enforcement Agencies have labelled some people as Criminals.

The reality is the entire Industrial Society is Criminal.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:17 pm 
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The most dangerous and destructive person in this world is the University Graduate.

University Graduates are responsible for all Industrial Activity in this world that has decimated millions of species and destroyed Forests, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

Education has destroyed the planet.

Universities have destroyed the planet.

Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates have destroyed the planet.

The most dangerous and destructive industry in this world is Education Industry.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

Universities and Colleges are producing millions of Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.

Education Industry is the source of all Industrial Activity.....All other Industries are by products of Education Industry.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Industries.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Environmental Destruction in this world.

Destruction of environment can never be stopped until Universities are closed down.

Decimation of millions of species cannot be stopped until Universities are closed down.

Destruction of Forests, Rivers and Oceans cannot be stopped until Universities are closed down.
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Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Farming of Animals, Construction of Industrial Slaughter Houses, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports live and dead animals all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells meat.

Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Ships which catch fish, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports fish all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells fish.

Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Marketing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry, Oil Drilling and Refining Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks which are destroying forests moment by moment.

Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the decimation of wild animals.

Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day because of Education.....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the poisoning of Rivers, Oceans, Land and Sky/ Atmosphere.

Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for destruction of fertile soil by Construction Industry.

Education is responsible for thousands of tonnes of Nuclear Waste produced by Nuclear Industry which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Radioactivity produced by Nuclear Industry which will remain a potential source of Death, Cancer, Multiple Organ Failures, Physical Deformities and Mental Abnormalities for thousands of years.

Education is also the source of Banking Industry [ IMF, World Bank and Millions of other National and International Banks] which is financing all Industrial Activity in this world that is destroying environment.....Banking Industry is being run by millions of Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates.

Education is also the source of the "Military Industrial Complex"....Millions of tonnes of Weapons and Explosives are being produced by "Military Industrial Complex" because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Production, Transportation and Marketing of weapons all over the world.
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Don't blame Big Corporations for environmental destruction...... Blame University Graduates and Urban Population.

All Corporations [big or small] are being run by University Graduates and Urban Population.

Don't blame Nuclear Power Plants, Coal Power Plants, Industrial Dams, Oil Industry, Tar Sands & Fracking Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry and GM Food Industry for environmental destruction...... Blame University Graduates and Urban Population.

The entire work force of Industries and Corporations [White Collar and Blue Collar] is made up of Urban Dwellers......Billions of Urban Dwellers are employed in Industries and Corporations.

Urban Population and Urban Work have destroyed environment.

Billions of Urban Dwellers are engaged in the destructive cycle of "Production of consumer goods and services" , "Selling of consumer goods and services" and "Buying of consumer goods and services".

University Graduates and Urban Dwellers are the butchers of environment.
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Give free food to the Urban Population, but for God's sake stop Urban Work [A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population].

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.

Urban Work has destroyed environment.

Urban Work is extra, unnecessary, destructive and worthless.

Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Insanity, abnormality and criminality is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

In America 95% of population is urban.....That is why consumerism is so rampant in America.

In Europe 80 - 90% of population is urban.....That is why Europe is highly consumerist and destructive too.

In China and India, consumerism and destruction of environment have risen drastically with increase in urban population.

Urban Population is criminal.

50% of world population is criminal.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

Urban Work must stop immediately.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
You know that if overpopulation was addressed strongly in the late 1960s, we would not have the choice of radical decarbonization or extinction.
One thing necessary still, is population reduction to sustainable at a way of life that is healthy for people and the biosphere.
Back at one billion in 1806, humans had not exceeded the pollution ability of the biosphere, nor depleted soils and other necessary resources. Some areas, even then, were still grossly overpopulated like India and China. China started industrialization before fossil fuels, to provide for their overpopulation.
Human over-crowding causes hostility, depression, and anxiety. Grave mental disorders that get millions in prison or hospitalized, or on medications not filtered out in rivers. This crowding makes those who are crowd intolerant--a positive ecological trait, crazy and wanting to escape.
Many have and come to America to overbreed and consume. So the change from the 1924 Immigration Act has ruined the chances for survival of most Americans by the early 2040s. India and China will not make it through the 2030s.
The use of fossil fuel(at over 500,000 times its replenishment rate), and deforestation with slash and burn agriculture, has ruined our planetary environment to the point of near the tipping point of the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback loop, after which nothing humanly possible will stop a very fast heat increase and extinction completion.
People will be getting more of their minds destroyed as they starve and crash, in the heat getting quickly hotter. :-({|=
You are right about the tree planters who really need to plant an impossible number of trees to make up for human fossil fuel and other burning---seven trillion trees a year? Each person planting 1000 trees a year? Well, we know that won't happen....

(from Sushidylv)"Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth." }}mainly AFTER fossil fuels became used for it{{

"Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth." }}possibly, but overpopulation would have drained the water and depleted the soils like now, maybe in a little longer time{{

"Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners." }}I agree!{{

"Stop Education.....Close Down Universities." }}No, increase ecological education along with foresight, if possible{{

"Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities." }}the people would have to die, unfortunately{{

People definitely need to change religions, cultures, and morals, along with behaviors like over-breeding for the conditions present, depleting resources faster than they are replenished naturally or artificially, and polluting faster than the natural system can absorb it, even with artificial help. Greed must be stopped because it is criminal to the people and the biosphere. The average intelligence of humans that is going down with the tendency of the lowest spectrum to over-breed the most, making it so they do not understand enough, and have lost the ability of foresight.

We do need a massive population crash right now, not when it will naturally occur at or before mid century.
That is probably the only way people will stop being greedy and stop emissions from going so high as to cause very long term damage to the biosphere, our own and 9 million other species' extinction.

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
almost 200K hits! Wow, must be REALLY important. Certainly twenty times as important as the >no show "fence sitters"< crap thread. :razz: :lol:


Oh my. Living rent free in someone's head. \:D/

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
Johhny Electriglide wrote:
You know that if overpopulation was addressed strongly in the late 1960s, we would not have the choice of radical decarbonization or extinction.
One thing necessary still, is population reduction to sustainable at a way of life that is healthy for people and the biosphere.
Back at one billion in 1806, humans had not exceeded the pollution ability of the biosphere, nor depleted soils and other necessary resources. Some areas, even then, were still grossly overpopulated like India and China. China started industrialization before fossil fuels, to provide for their overpopulation.
Human over-crowding causes hostility, depression, and anxiety. Grave mental disorders that get millions in prison or hospitalized, or on medications not filtered out in rivers. This crowding makes those who are crowd intolerant--a positive ecological trait, crazy and wanting to escape.
Many have and come to America to overbreed and consume. So the change from the 1924 Immigration Act has ruined the chances for survival of most Americans by the early 2040s. India and China will not make it through the 2030s.
The use of fossil fuel(at over 500,000 times its replenishment rate), and deforestation with slash and burn agriculture, has ruined our planetary environment to the point of near the tipping point of the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback loop, after which nothing humanly possible will stop a very fast heat increase and extinction completion.
People will be getting more of their minds destroyed as they starve and crash, in the heat getting quickly hotter. :-({|=
You are right about the tree planters who really need to plant an impossible number of trees to make up for human fossil fuel and other burning---seven trillion trees a year? Each person planting 1000 trees a year? Well, we know that won't happen....

(from Sushidylv)"Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth." }}mainly AFTER fossil fuels became used for it{{

"Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth." }}possibly, but overpopulation would have drained the water and depleted the soils like now, maybe in a little longer time{{

"Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners." }}I agree!{{

"Stop Education.....Close Down Universities." }}No, increase ecological education along with foresight, if possible{{

"Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities." }}the people would have to die, unfortunately{{

People definitely need to change religions, cultures, and morals, along with behaviors like over-breeding for the conditions present, depleting resources faster than they are replenished naturally or artificially, and polluting faster than the natural system can absorb it, even with artificial help. Greed must be stopped because it is criminal to the people and the biosphere. The average intelligence of humans that is going down with the tendency of the lowest spectrum to over-breed the most, making it so they do not understand enough, and have lost the ability of foresight.

We do need a massive population crash right now, not when it will naturally occur at or before mid century.
That is probably the only way people will stop being greedy and stop emissions from going so high as to cause very long term damage to the biosphere, our own and 9 million other species' extinction.

Now I know why so many others were not convinced about going into a methane turnover;
"The story has even been picked up by Science Magazine (pay walled).

News & Analysis

Climate ScienceClimate Outsider Finds Missing Global Warming

Eli Kintisch

"Major climate data sets have underestimated the rate of global warming in the last 15 years owing largely to poor data in the Arctic, the planet's fastest warming region. A dearth of temperature stations there is one culprit; another is a data-smoothing algorithm that has been improperly tuning down temperatures there. The findings come from an unlikely source: a crystallographer and graduate student working on the temperature analyses in their spare time."
How global warming broke the thermometer record"

NOW look at the April Siberian temperature report again, then at near the end of the 2013 movie on the Arctic Death Spiral, listen again to the Russian woman scientist. Hear the stifled, cracked emotion in her voice, on describing the mechanism of the positive feedback loop and the extinction it portends.

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This is much too serious and there is no argument except in a few dimwits:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FnfygE5Lhw
Last Hours
Methane Apocalypse, Everything Else Is A Distraction.


I agree. 90% reduction in all HGHGs by use of Gen IV, solar, wind, tide, wave energy with localization, and ban of jet travel, sails or other non-emissions power for ships, Biodiesel only, hybrids, or all electric vehicles, with other mandatory changes.

Arctic Death Spiral and the Methane Time Bomb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&v=m6pFDu7lLV4

The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21D3ByfPTx8

Why Methane Is CO2′s Evil Stepsister (And Why We Should Care)
Lynn Hasselberger, The Green Divas | April 11, 2014 10:26 am | Comments

"Carbon dioxide is the greenhouse gas that gets tossed around in most climate change conversations.

But methane (CH4) is making its way into the mainstream spotlight.
Here are some things that are happening:

Climate change is warming up areas that were typically cold enough for permafrost. Permafrost—soil that’s frozen year round and comprises 24 percent of Northern Hemisphere land (8.8 millions square miles)—is no longer “perma.”"
Why Methane Is CO2?s Evil Stepsister (And Why We Should Care) | EcoWatch

Now, we find this month's Arctic temperatures above that which tundra methane self releases.......
http://siberiantimes...h-temperatures/
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By 2 April, 17 forest fires had been registered across 2,000 hectares. Among the areas now at risk after a faster-than-usual snow melt are the south of Siberia to the territory of the Far Eastern Federal District, to Baikal and the Amur regions.
'It was the hottest April 1 on record for several western Siberian cities, including Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Barnaul and Gorno-Altaysk,' said Renad Yagudin, of the Novosibirsk meteorological service. 'The average temperature in Russia increased 0.4 degrees every ten years. Overall, the temperature in the area is 6.5-16.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2-9 Celsius) higher than the record set in 1989.'"

!>>It is not ALL of the Arctic----yet. One thing for sure is that since the Tundra scientists(3 sets)first advised we were at the tipping point of positive feedback(2009), we are VERY close to the point of no return (past the tipping point).<<!

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The planet is dying and gasping for last breath because of Environmental Destruction.....Without nature Man will not even exist on earth.

In the present scenario, the one and only important issue for everyone should be environment, but the crazy citizens of Industrial Society are engaging in billions of pages of discussion, debate and argument on hundreds of trivial issues : Politics, Elections, Inequality, Gender, Sexuality, Caste, Unemployment, Economy, Inflation.

What are people going to do with all these issues on a Dead Planet???
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Ship of Fools.
By Ted Kaczynski.

Once upon a time, the captain and the mates of a ship grew so vain of their seamanship, so full of hubris and so impressed with themselves, that they went mad. They turned the ship north and sailed until they met with icebergs and dangerous floes, and they kept sailing north into more and more perilous waters, solely in order to give themselves opportunities to perform ever-more-brilliant feats of seamanship.

As the ship reached higher and higher latitudes, the passengers and crew became increasingly uncomfortable. They began quarreling among themselves and complaining of the conditions under which they lived.

“Shiver me timbers,” said an able seaman, “if this ain’t the worst voyage I’ve ever been on. The deck is slick with ice; when I’m on lookout the wind cuts through me jacket like a knife; every time I reef the foresail I blamed-near freeze me fingers; and all I get for it is a miserable five shillings a month!”

“You think you have it bad!” said a lady passenger. “I can’t sleep at night for the cold. Ladies on this ship don’t get as many blankets as the men. It isn’t fair!”

A Mexican sailor chimed in: “¡Chingado! I’m only getting half the wages of the Anglo seamen. We need plenty of food to keep us warm in this climate, and I’m not getting my share; the Anglos get more. And the worst of it is that the mates always give me orders in English instead of Spanish.”

“I have more reason to complain than anybody,” said an American Indian sailor. “If the palefaces hadn’t robbed me of my ancestral lands, I wouldn’t even be on this ship, here among the icebergs and arctic winds. I would just be paddling a canoe on a nice, placid lake. I deserve compensation. At the very least, the captain should let me run a crap game so that I can make some money.”

The bosun spoke up: “Yesterday the first mate called me a ‘fruit’ just because I suck cocks. I have a right to suck cocks without being called names for it!”

It’s not only humans who are mistreated on this ship,” interjected an animal-lover among the passengers, her voice quivering with indignation. “Why, last week I saw the second mate kick the ship’s dog twice!”

One of the passengers was a college professor. Wringing his hands he exclaimed,

“All this is just awful! It’s immoral! It’s racism, sexism, speciesism, homophobia, and exploitation of the working class! It’s discrimination! We must have social justice: Equal wages for the Mexican sailor, higher wages for all sailors, compensation for the Indian, equal blankets for the ladies, a guaranteed right to suck cocks, and no more kicking the dog!”

“Yes, yes!” shouted the passengers. “Aye-aye!” shouted the crew. “It’s discrimination! We have to demand our rights!”

The cabin boy cleared his throat.

“Ahem. You all have good reasons to complain. But it seems to me that what we really have to do is get this ship turned around and headed back south, because if we keep going north we’re sure to be wrecked sooner or later, and then your wages, your blankets, and your right to suck cocks won’t do you any good, because we’ll all drown.”

But no one paid any attention to him, because he was only the cabin boy.

The captain and the mates, from their station on the poop deck, had been watching and listening. Now they smiled and winked at one another, and at a gesture from the captain the third mate came down from the poop deck, sauntered over to where the passengers and crew were gathered, and shouldered his way in amongst them. He put a very serious expression on his face and spoke thusly:

“We officers have to admit that some really inexcusable things have been happening on this ship. We hadn’t realized how bad the situation was until we heard your complaints. We are men of good will and want to do right by you. But — well — the captain is rather conservative and set in his ways, and may have to be prodded a bit before he’ll make any substantial changes. My personal opinion is that if you protest vigorously — but always peacefully and without violating any of the ship’s rules — you would shake the captain out of his inertia and force him to address the problems of which you so justly complain.”

Having said this, the third mate headed back toward the poop deck. As he went, the passengers and crew called after him, “Moderate! Reformer! Goody-liberal! Captain’s stooge!” But they nevertheless did as he said. They gathered in a body before the poop deck, shouted insults at the officers, and demanded their rights: “I want higher wages and better working conditions,” cried the able seaman. “Equal blankets for women,” cried the lady passenger. “I want to receive my orders in Spanish,” cried the Mexican sailor. “I want the right to run a crap game,” cried the Indian sailor. “I don’t want to be called a fruit,” cried the bosun. “No more kicking the dog,” cried the animal lover. “Revolution now,” cried the professor.

The captain and the mates huddled together and conferred for several minutes, winking, nodding and smiling at one another all the while. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and, with a great show of benevolence, announced that the able seaman’s wages would be raised to six shillings a month; the Mexican sailor’s wages would be raised to two-thirds the wages of an Anglo seaman, and the order to reef the foresail would be given in Spanish; lady passengers would receive one more blanket; the Indian sailor would be allowed to run a crap game on Saturday nights; the bosun wouldn’t be called a fruit as long as he kept his cocksucking strictly private; and the dog wouldn’t be kicked unless he did something really naughty, such as stealing food from the galley.

The passengers and crew celebrated these concessions as a great victory, but the next morning, they were again feeling dissatisfied.

“Six shillings a month is a pittance, and I still freeze me fingers when I reef the foresail,” grumbled the able seaman. “I’m still not getting the same wages as the Anglos, or enough food for this climate,” said the Mexican sailor. “We women still don’t have enough blankets to keep us warm,” said the lady passenger. The other crewmen and passengers voiced similar complaints, and the professor egged them on.

When they were done, the cabin boy spoke up — louder this time so that the others could not easily ignore him:

“It’s really terrible that the dog gets kicked for stealing a bit of bread from the galley, and that women don’t have equal blankets, and that the able seaman gets his fingers frozen; and I don’t see why the bosun shouldn’t suck cocks if he wants to. But look how thick the icebergs are now, and how the wind blows harder and harder! We’ve got to turn this ship back toward the south, because if we keep going north we’ll be wrecked and drowned.”

“Oh yes,” said the bosun, “It’s just so awful that we keep heading north. But why should I have to keep cocksucking in the closet? Why should I be called a fruit? Ain’t I as good as everyone else?”

“Sailing north is terrible,” said the lady passenger. “But don’t you see? That’s exactly why women need more blankets to keep them warm. I demand equal blankets for women now!”

“It’s quite true,” said the professor, “that sailing to the north imposes great hardships on all of us. But changing course toward the south would be unrealistic. You can’t turn back the clock. We must find a mature way of dealing with the situation.”

“Look,” said the cabin boy, “If we let those four madmen up on the poop deck have their way, we’ll all be drowned. If we ever get the ship out of danger, then we can worry about working conditions, blankets for women, and the right to suck cocks. But first we’ve got to get this vessel turned around. If a few of us get together, make a plan, and show some courage, we can save ourselves. It wouldn’t take many of us — six or eight would do. We could charge the poop, chuck those lunatics overboard, and turn the ship to the south.”

The professor elevated his nose and said sternly, “I don’t believe in violence. It’s immoral.”

“It’s unethical ever to use violence,” said the bosun.

“I’m terrified of violence,” said the lady passenger.

The captain and the mates had been watching and listening all the while. At a signal from the captain, the third mate stepped down to the main deck. He went about among the passengers and crew, telling them that there were still many problems on the ship.

“We have made much progress,” he said, “But much remains to be done. Working conditions for the able seaman are still hard, the Mexican still isn’t getting the same wages as the Anglos, the women still don’t have quite as many blankets as the men, the Indian’s Saturday-night crap game is a paltry compensation for his lost lands, it’s unfair to the bosun that he has to keep his cocksucking in the closet, and the dog still gets kicked at times.

“I think the captain needs to be prodded again. It would help if you all would put on another protest — as long as it remains nonviolent.”

As the third mate walked back toward the stern, the passengers and the crew shouted insults after him, but they nevertheless did what he said and gathered in front of the poop deck for another protest. They ranted and raved and brandished their fists, and they even threw a rotten egg at the captain (which he skillfully dodged).

After hearing their complaints, the captain and the mates huddled for a conference, during which they winked and grinned broadly at one another. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and announced that the able seaman would be given gloves to keep his fingers warm, the Mexican sailor would receive wages equal to three-fourths the wages of an Anglo seaman, the women would receive yet another blanket, the Indian sailor could run a crap game on Saturday and Sunday nights, the bosun would be allowed to suck cocks publicly after dark, and no one could kick the dog without special permission from the captain.

The passengers and crew were ecstatic over this great revolutionary victory, but by the next morning they were again feeling dissatisfied and began grumbling about the same old hardships.

The cabin boy this time was getting angry.

“You damn fools!” he shouted. “Don’t you see what the captain and the mates are doing? They’re keeping you occupied with your trivial grievances about blankets and wages and the dog being kicked so that you won’t think about what is really wrong with this ship — that it’s getting farther and farther to the north and we’re all going to be drowned. If just a few of you would come to your senses, get together, and charge the poop deck, we could turn this ship around and save ourselves. But all you do is whine about petty little issues like working conditions and crap games and the right to suck cocks.”

The passengers and the crew were incensed.

“Petty!!” cried the Mexican, “Do you think it’s reasonable that I get only three-fourths the wages of an Anglo sailor? Is that petty?”

“How can you call my grievance trivial? shouted the bosun. “Don’t you know how humiliating it is to be called a fruit?”

“Kicking the dog is not a ‘petty little issue!’” screamed the animal-lover. “It’s heartless, cruel, and brutal!”

“Alright then,” answered the cabin boy. “These issues are not petty and trivial. Kicking the dog is cruel and brutal and it is humiliating to be called a fruit. But in comparison to our real problem — in comparison to the fact that the ship is still heading north — your grievances are petty and trivial, because if we don’t get this ship turned around soon, we’re all going to drown.”

“Fascist!” said the professor.

“Counterrevolutionary!” said the lady passenger. And all of the passengers and crew chimed in one after another, calling the cabin boy a fascist and a counterrevolutionary. They pushed him away and went back to grumbling about wages, and about blankets for women, and about the right to suck cocks, and about how the dog was treated.

The ship kept sailing north, and after a while it was crushed between two icebergs and everyone drowned.

Ship of Fools.
By Ted Kaczynski.
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Industrial Society will discuss itself to destruction [extinction].

Industrial Society will debate itself to destruction [extinction].

Industrial Society will argue itself to destruction [extinction].

Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a disease and insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television, Telephone and Internet.

Billions of Pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another harmful waste produced by Industrial Society which has generated billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 9:15 am 
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Industrial Society trying to save environment, not by stopping production of consumer goods but by recycling consumer goods is like the Gunman trying to save victims of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by shooting them with recycled guns and bullets.

The lunacy of Industrial Society has no limits.

Industrial Society has been coming up with ridiculous solutions for saving environment.

Green Industry..... Green Technology..... Sustainable Development.

All these are oxymorons.

No industry can be green.....No technology can be green.....No development can be sustainable.

Coming back to recycling :

Every Industrial Activity destroys environment.

Recycling Industry also destroys environment because recycling requires Industrial Activity.

First you destroy environment to make consumer goods.

Then you destroy more environment every time you recycle consumer goods.

So where is the saving of environment???

Environment is saved when you don't make consumer goods.

That is how environment was saved for millions of years on earth before industrialization.
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"Bring this Technology.....Bring that Technology".
"Bring this Technology.....Bring that Technology".

Industrial Society trying to save environment, not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing Industrial Technology is like the Gunman trying to save the victims of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by changing the Gun.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:34 pm 
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Industrial Society trying to save environment with money is like Fire Fighters trying to extinguish fire with petrol.

World Bank thinks rivers can be saved by giving million dollar loans.

Thousands of environmental organizations are pretending to save environment with their combined budgets of billions of dollars.

Height of Insanity!!!

Industrial Society is trying to save environment with money that has been accumulated by destroying environment.

First you kill environment for earning money, then you pretend to save environment with the money earned by killing environment..

This is like first killing a person with a gun and then trying to save him with the gun.

All money in Industrial Society is earned through some kind of Industrial Activity.

All money in Industrial Society is earned by killing animals, trees, air, water and land.....directly or indirectly.

All money in Industrial Society is earned by killing forests, rivers, oceans and atmosphere.....directly or indirectly.

All money in Industrial Society is blood money

All money in Industrial Society has blood of nature on it.

There are thousands of Environmental Organizations and NGO’s in this world....Their combined budget runs into billions of dollars.

All this money is coming from the very system that is destroying the ecosystems.....How can Environmental Organizations and NGO’s ever save environment when their Salaries/ Grants/ Funds and Donations are coming from Industrial Activity which is destroying the environment???

Environment cannot be saved by Environmental Organizations, NGO’s, Protests and Petitions.

For millions of years on earth, environment was not saved by Environmental Organizations, NGO’s, Protests or Petitions.

You cannot save a person after killing him.
You can only save him by not killing him.

You cannot save environment after killing it with Industrial Activity.
You can only save environment by not killing it with Industrial Activity.

Once you have killed a person, you cannot save him with any treatment....He is already gone.

Once you have killed environment with Industrial Activity, you cannot save it with anything....It is already gone.

Industrial Activity has destroyed environment in 100 years.
Absence of Industrial Activity saved environment for millions of years.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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With technology we have been able to learn more about nature, to gather more data and record it.
With math we can draw curves of use and replenishment, and see the direction we are on.
Yes, we need to de-industrialize and drastically reduce demand by overpopulation and greed.
Will people willingly do it? NO!!
There probably already are plans to side drill under and near the magma chambers at Yellowstone and possibly Toba super-volcanoes. Forcing their eruptions with nuclear bombs placed could defeat human caused global warming to methane turnover extinction. Of course, only those in underground stocked fortresses (or in space?) could make it through a global 10 year winter with 10*F temperature drop. A human history bottleneck like Toba.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5jcBWzB3nM

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One of the most ridiculous theories put forward to save environment is.....Keep a balance between industry and environment.

Where do these people get their degrees from.....The University of Lunacy???

Industry destroys environment.....It is impossible to keep a balance between industry and environment.

A house is on fire.....The fire fighters who rush to save the house are given this instruction.....You are expected to save the house but you are not allowed to put out the fire.....Keep a balance between fire and house.

A person is being shot repeatedly.....The police who rush to save the victim are given this instruction.....You are expected to save the victim but you are not allowed to stop the shooting.....Keep a balance between shooting and the victim's life.

100 years of industrial activity has destroyed what was created by nature in millions of years.

What balance???

The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Dark Sun.
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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