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I am sorry things are so awful in your homeland [-o< ;
A quarter of India's land is turning into desert - minister
Source: Reuters - Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:14 GMT
NEW DELHI, June 18 (Reuters) - "About a quarter of India's land is turning to desert and degradation of agricultural areas is becoming a severe problem, the environment minister said, potentially threatening food security in the world's second most populous country.
India occupies just 2 percent of the world's territory but is home to 17 percent of its population, leading to over-use of land and excessive grazing. Along with changing rainfall patterns, these are the main causes of desertification."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:59 am 
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Trying to save environment not by stopping industry but by running industry with green energy is like trying to save a victim of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by shooting him with a green gun.

(Green Gun = Gun manufactured using green energy)

Alternative energy does not save environment in industrial society.

Alternative energy cannot save environment in industrial society.

Nothing can save environment in industrial society.
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The machines and equipment needed to produce green energy don't come into existence without environmental destruction......The wind turbines and solar batteries are made up of metals, minerals and plastic whose production by industrial activity destroys huge amounts of environment.....It requires mining industry, manufacturing industry, transportation industry.

First we destroy environment to manufacture the machines and equipment needed to produce green energy...... The electricity generated by the so called renewable/ alternative energy sources is then used to produce and operate thousands of consumer goods and services whose production by industrial activity destroys environment.......So we are back to square one.

There is no point in trying to run the consumerist industrial system with renewable/ alternative energy.......It would be as harmful and destructive as that being run by fossil fuel.
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The claim that clean energy can save environment is just like the claim that recycling can save environment.

Industrial Society trying to save environment, not by stopping production of consumer goods but by recycling consumer goods is like the Gunman trying to save victims of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by shooting them with recycled guns and bullets.

Industrial Society has been coming up with ridiculous solutions for saving environment.

Green Industry..... Green Technology..... Sustainable Development.

All these are oxymorons.

No industry can be green.....No technology can be green.....No development can be sustainable.

Coming back to recycling :

Every Industrial Activity destroys environment.

Recycling Industry also destroys environment because recycling requires Industrial Activity.

First you destroy environment to make consumer goods.

Then you destroy more environment every time you recycle consumer goods.

So where is the saving of environment???

Environment is saved when you don't make consumer goods.

That is how environment was saved for millions of years on earth before industrialization.
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It is not the fuel that destroys environment......It is what you use the fuel for that destroys environment.

If man had limited his activity to food, clothing and shelter then no fossil fuel would have destroyed environment.

Today man is using fuel to destroy environment for producing food, clothing, shelter and thousands of consumer goods and services, as a consequence of which no fuel can save environment.
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:29 pm 
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Fossil fuels sparked overpopulation and industrialization, which has led to feedbacks from nature that would result in a worse than Permian Extinction. To stop it we need a much smaller population and total stop of fossil fuel emissions.
Inertia to change, stupid religious and cultural blocks, greed, all make the logistics nearly impossible. The tipping points are too close, and the only real solution is a population bottleneck and cooling from a super-volcano eruption forced by nuclear bombs of sufficient size around the magma chamber and slightly under. Yellowstone is the best possibility, and Toba could be forced to blow again, too. Katla probably isn't big enough to give a long enough winter to cool the biosphere and make up for the heat momentum. The Cascadia and LaPalma tsunamis/earthquakes could cause a crash, but no cooling.
So, with technology we can save the biosphere, and the survivors would have to learn their lesson and into the future, never industrialize or use fossil fuels again, never over-breed past sustainable again. They must have a spiritual and moral change to never let this destruction ever happen again from humanity.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:03 pm 
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Hi,

New user speaking here. I am currently living in Europe (a lot of waste here - everything comes in a package :eh: ) and I agree with most of what you say on your long statment. I hope we all can learn from it and try to live a life closer with nature and away from the cities. I am from Peru and as you said my people (third world countries) dont need investments from `first world countries` , what we need is that your goverments leave us alone.

Coming back soon to Peru to live like I am supposed to and not like I was told or believed was `better`..


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