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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:05 am 
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Well, if we keep at it, it'll be comprimised whether we like it or not, mefears.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:24 am 
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What is your solution?

I don't have one. But I'm not the one looking for one.
I am not jealous of what everybody else has and disguising it as worry about the planet.
And I am not ashamed of what I have and trying to cover my guilt with concerns about the planet.
You are the one with the problems yet I see no solutions from you. It is not up to me to provide them.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:40 am 
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What is your solution?

You are the one with the problems yet I see no solutions from you. It is not up to me to provide them.


It seems you have some problem understanding written english. I am repeating the solution - but it seems this stuff is beyond your grasp - beyond your level - beyond your capacity to understand.

The two things that have destroyed ecosystems are - overpopulation and overconsumerism.

A lot of efforts have been made to control/ reduce population. Without these efforts population would be much more than the 6.5 billion people we have today.

What about consumerism?

No effort has been made to reduce consumerism. Every country has been increasing its growth rate, economy rate and GDP over the last 100 years.

The number of consumer goods in most homes has been steadily increasing over the years.

Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods.

What can be cut? - what can be reduced/ eliminated?

It is the consumer goods.

We need to reduce production and consumption of consumer goods to the barest minimum.

People who are going for Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference are insane, abnormal and criminal.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:44 am 
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Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods.


All of which you take part in, use and benefit from......Good luck with that. :wink:


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Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods.


All of which you take part in, use and benefit from......Good luck with that.


Not at all. You don't know how I have lived my life.

Yes, I am using the computer. But I am using very few other consumer goods.

I invite you to post a list of all the consumer goods and services you are using.

I will post my list.

And then we will compare to find out who is a bigger burden on earth.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:05 am 
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Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter plus thousands of consumer goods.


All of which you take part in, use and benefit from......Good luck with that.


Not at all.

Yes, I am using the computer. But I am using very few other consumer goods.

I invite you to post a list of all the consumer goods and services you are using.

I will post my list.

And then we will compare to find out who is a bigger burden on earth.


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It is your issue not mine. You have a roof over your head, you use electricity, you own and use a computer, you wear clothes, you eat food, etc....not really much different than those you condemn. =;


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:07 am 
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Why are you avoiding the issue.

I invite you to post a list of all the consumer goods and services you are using.

I will post my list.

And then we will compare to find out who is a bigger burden on earth.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:11 am 
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sushilydv wrote:
Why are you avoiding the issue.

I invite you to post a list of all the consumer goods and services you are using.

I will post my list.

And then we will compare to find out who is a bigger burden on earth.


I am not avoiding anything....and it is your issue. You need to make yourself feel good by condemning others, have at it but it is from a position of do as I say not as I do. The fact is that you use and benefit from consumer products, period. BTW no matter the spin, that means you are contributing to the "Destruction" you are oh so worried about. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:21 am 
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animallover wrote:
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Why are you avoiding the issue.

I invite you to post a list of all the consumer goods and services you are using.

I will post my list.

And then we will compare to find out who is a bigger burden on earth.


I am not avoiding anything....and it is your issue. You need to make yourself feel good by condemning others, have at it but it is from a position of do as I say not as I do. The fact is that you use and benefit from consumer products, period. BTW no matter the spin, that means you are contributing to the "Destruction" you are oh so worried about. :wink:


I never said I am not using any consumer goods.

When did I ever say I am not using consumer goods?
Show me when - show me where.

The topic of my article says - "Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment". The words "Industrial Society" include most people living on earth - don't they?

Industrial Society is collectively responsible for destroying the ecosystems. It would take several planets to sustain the present consumerist lifestyle.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:20 am 
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But still no real solutions.
You have listed what you think are problems.
Over population and consumer goods.
But how do you propose to lessen these?
You don't. You may use less, and good for you.
Others on this board use very little as well.
But that doesn't tell me how you will get the rest of the world from using them.
No solutions, just blathering.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:55 pm 
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sammyd wrote:
But still no real solutions.
You have listed what you think are problems.
Over population and consumer goods.
No solutions, just blathering.


What kind of a person are you?

6.5 billion people collectively create a problem - and you expect sushil_yadav to solve the problem?

Western civilization promoted industrial society over a period of 250 years, which has led to the present mess of consumerism - and you expect sushil_yadav to solve the problem?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:45 am 
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You're the one with the long extended bitches.
Burning up resources complaining endlessly.
Just whining, no solutions, nothing but wasting time.
I wouldn't expect you to have all the solutions, but at least have some clue if you are gonna bitch about it.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:31 pm 
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Eat, Drink and make Merry [while the planet burns].

You are the problem, joker.

Your lifestyle - your country is the biggest problem.

Your country is the biggest cause of war and violence across the world - it is the biggest producer and supplier of weapons across the world. The Taliban that you call a terrorist group is a creation of America - it was created to control Russian advance in Afghanistan. America is considered the number one terrorist in the rest of the world.

The country with the biggest stockpile of "weapons of mass destruction" attacked and flattened Iraq on the pretext that it was building a few "weapons of mass destruction" [ later it turned out that Iraq did'nt have any WMD]

Height of hypocrisy.
Height insanity and criminality.

Your country played the leading role in spreading consumerism all over the world.

5% of world population consuming 40% of world resources - and then asking for a solution.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:38 pm 
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We're in this together, Sushilydv, whether we like it or not.

If you're worrying about the amount of consumption in the future, I'd look over your shoulder. China wants to be just like the U.S 'cept they got a lot more people.

We need ways to reduce our impact, unquestionable. We're just having a hard time figuring out the best way to do so.


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Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

It is highly amazing that people have taken for granted a lifestyle that has barely existed for 50 - 100 years.

People started thinking "this is the way to live".

This is not the way to live - This is the way to die.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things[animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things[consumer goods].

People who are going for infinite growth and development on a small planet [whose circumference is just 40,000 km] are insane, abnormal and criminal.


In the context of Industrial Society someone has said :

"It is like adding extra floors to your building by removing bricks from the lower floor/ foundation."



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"Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.

It is highly amazing that people have taken for granted a lifestyle that has barely existed for 50 - 100 years.

People started thinking "this is the way to live".

This is not the way to live - This is the way to die."


If technological/industrialized society is not the way to live, but the way to die, then why is human life expectancy the greatest it's ever been in history?

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