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 Post subject: farmer
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:48 pm 
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a farmer who has field next to my house has kicked my 5 month old jack russell to death, because it was on his land , the police are powerless to do anything , but i am determined to do something about this,, he had no need to kill the dog , there were no sheep in the field ,,???? :


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:53 pm 
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Sounds terrible.
Can you give us a few more details? Have you had conflicts with this person before?


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no not really, he has had the field next door for few years ,, he killed the dog phoned police and drove off in his landrover, police are uwilling to do anything ,rspca are involed , he has history for shooting dogs and threatning to do so


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:21 pm 
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How do you know he killed the dog? Did you see him do so?

Where was the dog when he killed it?

Had he warned you about the dog before?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:29 pm 
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he old police he killed the dog , he sad it was in his field but not to sure about that , nver warned about the dogs before as they would not go near sheep, the rspca, animal welfare,and trading standards want to go and see him but will not go without police ,, i did challange him a few days later and he threatned to kill my other dogs


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:36 pm 
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He's certainly coming across as a charming person(I'm not serious, of course)

It sounds like you've taken some good first steps.....

Manchester: I'm guessing that's England?

I don't know what it's like over there, law-wise, but at the very least I'd sue his backside but good. Living next to him, might make the future a bit uncomfortable, though.

Do your other dogs live outside? I suspect you're going to have to keep a eye on them, if this clod is such a big jerk
If any of your other neihbors have had similar probs; you need to get them organized. If this guys gotta history, the authorities need to step up and do something.


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:27 pm 
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I do apologize if I sound unfeeling but kicking a Jack Russell to death? They are feisty little dogs and must be caught first - and if that happened, a farmer whose livestock has been affected by the dog (because JRTs will go for anything on four legs, they certainly cannot be allowed of the leash in sheep country here or they risk a bullet) need not kick it to death, in fact, he'd be smarter to go for compensation for any damage done. As I said, I apologize, but I have seen messages like this before - all blame on the person who caught the animal without proof of the accusations, and no reference at all to the lack of control by the owners.


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
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the dog was 4 months old , anyone who can kick a dog to death has a serious problem in there head, there were no sheep in the field ,, the farmer has done this before,


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I would suggest going to local media with the story, but there's a chance of 'back-lash' on this sorta thing, so think good and hard before doing that.

Hang in there, Simon. Try to get with your neihbors on this: a united front is a good thing!


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While I feel like this is an over reaction, someone is going to have to explain why simon feels like chasing livestock is the ONLY legitimate reason this guy had for reacting the way he did.

The fact of the matter is that simon's property went traipsing around a neighbor's property, and said neighbor acted the way he saw fit to protect his property; be it territory, livestock, whatever...

The police are unwilling to do anything because the landowner didn't break the law -- simon did, however. (As I understand it. I don't mean to brag, but I'm not a lawyer.) Simon, how about you keep your filthy mongrels off his property? Then there's no problem, sheep or no sheep.

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With all due respect;
I wonder if property laws are the same in England...???


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
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this is a message to xxmag, with all repect, all the farmer had to do is come and knock on door and tell me about the dog ,, the fact he killed it and drove off tells me what a coward he really is ,, the type who bully women , animals and even children ,, and people who are violent to animals rarely stop threre, he feels the need to take his aggresion out on a puppy , why doesnt he try and take it out on a man ,, ?????


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Seriously too much of this story doesn't make sense....and I really seriously doubt that a 4 or 5 month old puppy (note you changed the age of the dog) was terrorizing much of anything and I very much doubt that a farmer stomped it to death. If you kick a puppy, even with not much force, it will go flying and will no longer be under foot to stomp. Which is it did he kick the puppy or did he stomp it to death??

I am not sure what it is you are wishing to accomplish posting this here-say story and the other stories you are making up about him with nothing of proof to back up what you are saying.

This sounds more like you have a personal vendetta with this farmer and are hoping to rile people up to do what??? Write nasty letters?? Call him?? Threaten him?? What is it that you want to accomplish from posting this stuff on forum boards??


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all the farmer had to do is come and knock on door and tell me about the dog

So "your" dog was running loose and got killed?? How do you know if it was killed by the farmer or by one of the sheep or other livestock?? You don't because you didn't even know the dog was missing and because you were not even out looking for it or chasing it to get it back. Note that knocking on your door would have done no good had you actually been out looking for your dog or chasing it to get it back because you wouldn't have been home.

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the type who bully women , animals and even children


And this would be slander and again you have nothing to base this on.

It is abundantly clear that you DO have a "personal" vendetta and it has nothing to do with a DOG. You are using the dog situation and nothing more. If your dog got out and was killed it is you that is ultimately responsible for it's death.


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 Post subject: Re: farmer
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I never said it wasn't draconian. As a matter of fact, that's the first thing I intoned. I personally would hope for more of a grace period.

Sure, accidents happen and dogs get loose. But if you keep your own junk on your own side of the line you've got nothing to worry about.

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