Responding to mothy's mental illness and scattered illogic is, to me, a waste of bandwidth and time. Even greencarz had a little more sense.
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| Author: | mothy [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | altruism amongst the 'lesser' animal as most would refer |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5uPBF- ... E72435A948 |
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| Author: | Cobie [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: altruism amongst the 'lesser' animal as most would refer |
Very sweet but not altruism - altruism would imply the dog made a conscious choice to foster the kittens. It is in fact rather common for animals that have lost their off-spring (her puppies were adopted) to "adopt" other young animals, including those of other species (although sometimes they need a little trickery - horse breeders will often wrap an orphan foal in the hide of a mare's dead foal to get bonding - however, as soon as the orphan can suckle, this will trigger hormone release that leads to bonding so the hide can be removed soon; and not all mares need the trick, they will accept the foal). Dogs have in fact been used as foster mothers for zoo animals that could not be nursed by their biological mother. Here in Oz we have a german shepherd who fostered a tiger cub, for instance. Cross-species nurturing, in short, is not uncommon, and more due to the loss of own offspring and the need to nurse offspring, ie, having lots of milk left. To call it altruism is anthropomorphic. Actually, humans have been known to engage in cross-species nurturing (monkeys, where these are kept as pets; and puppies, in some cases). However, this too may not be altruism since mothers need to have enough milk for their own child first; and feeding monkeys or dogs when there is milk enough for all ensures there will be meat for the table... |
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| Author: | mothy [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: altruism amongst the 'lesser' animal as most would refer |
But doesn't what you apply confirm the maternal instinct? Which makes the lesser animal more akin to humans? If it swerves to avoid you it must have a mind that must be respected. Mothy Is a conscious choice more admirable than an instinctual? Since both can include morals and ethics. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:04 am ] |
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| Author: | mothy [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:05 pm ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:32 pm ] |
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| Author: | mothy [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: altruism amongst the 'lesser' animal as most would refer |
Isn't there a possibilty that in some cases what we 'understand and accept' of instinct actually may include a certain amout of choice? I'm not including what you have learnt, conceived or perceived. In the video I believe what we are witnessing is a certain amount of choice. It cannot be proved categorically only assumed . I stress in some cases only. Cobie writes alot of sense but based on fixed ideas of whether rightly or wrongly may or may not be the case. The sheep whose offspring had died and the skin of its young was attached to that of an orphaned lamb then raised it as its young does seem to be instinct. You won't destroy me with your cheap inuendos, sly, dirty, and lying implications. You are making me stronger. Worry what other folk think about you and become their unkown prisoner. sensitivity can not only create a prince amongst princes but can also create a prince amongst darkness. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:26 pm ] |
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| Author: | mothy [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:53 pm ] |
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Very probably is not a definitive case. Assumption is never truth. Maybe or maybe not reveals an open mind. The prince of darkness=depression. You seem to evaluate your reality on what you learnt through academia. Never jumping out of the box. And also the truths based around those lame axioms and aphorisms youe seem to base your conceptions upon. Do you think 911 was orchestrated by a man in cave? With kind regards. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:03 pm ] |
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| Author: | mothy [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:35 pm ] |
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'Very probably' has been the downfall of many a police case. Assumption formed without possible truth lies on precarious grounds. An open mind never reveals a firm support for criteria but accesses paths that may lead to the truth. Depression may experience uplift but it is very short experienced. Moved to a cave! I suppose you believe Saddam had bad teeth! |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:52 pm ] |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:39 am ] |
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Responding to mothy's mental illness and scattered illogic is, to me, a waste of bandwidth and time. Even greencarz had a little more sense.
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| Author: | mothy [ Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: altruism amongst the 'lesser' animal as most would refer |
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