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LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/judge-overturns-california-ban-on-foie-gras.html?_r=0

LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.


Bans are not effective. Too restrictive. We cannot regulate human action in all ways. Government cannot dictate behavior after all. Legality and non legality are not really the deciding factor, although they are strong influences. But one must stand apart from the legality or non legality of any situation. This might be an example of society and it's norms. I think you mostly defend it Wayne, and rightfully so for the most part. But I think there is much value in standing a part from it and questioning it.


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animal-friendly wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/judge-overturns-california-ban-on-foie-gras.html?_r=0

LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.


Bans are not effective. Too restrictive. We cannot regulate human action in all ways. Government cannot dictate behavior after all. Legality and non legality are not really the deciding factor, although they are strong influences. But one must stand apart from the legality or non legality of any situation. This might be an example of society and it's norms. I think you mostly defend it Wayne, and rightfully so for the most part. But I think there is much value in standing a part from it and questioning it.


I oppose a ban brought about by some to force a choice, or lack thereof onto others. I am not a big fan of fois gras myself, but I cannot see the logic in trying to force others to not consume it id they wish. Convincing people to change their views is a much more effective path in my opinion, but that is not really that possible with some of the AR goals.

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I must admit; inflatable ducks just doesn't seem that yummy to me. :-&


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I must admit; inflatable ducks just doesn't seem that yummy to me. :-&


Just make sure of which end you blow into to inflate them ......

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/judge-overturns-california-ban-on-foie-gras.html?_r=0

LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.


The animals did not vote. They did not agree to having tubing stuck down their throats.

I am sure you will argue further. I am pretty sure you will.

Why .....


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/judge-overturns-california-ban-on-foie-gras.html?_r=0

LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.


The animals did not vote. They did not agree to having tubing stuck down their throats.

I am sure you will argue further. I am pretty sure you will.

Why .....


They do not vote on anything, including what may or may not eat them. Only humans have created that illusion of control for themselves. It is purely a subjective control mechanism in practice and favors the wishes of the humans for some reason. :mrgreen:

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/dining/judge-overturns-california-ban-on-foie-gras.html?_r=0

LOS ANGELES — Foie gras is back on the menu in California. A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a state law barring sale of the fatty duck or goose liver, ending a ban that had lasted more than two years.
Animal rights groups have long decried foie gras, which has traditionally been produced by force-feeding ducks and geese, as inhumane. And in 2004, California became the first state to outlaw it; the ban took effect in 2012.


Bans are not effective. Too restrictive. We cannot regulate human action in all ways. Government cannot dictate behavior after all. Legality and non legality are not really the deciding factor, although they are strong influences. But one must stand apart from the legality or non legality of any situation. This might be an example of society and it's norms. I think you mostly defend it Wayne, and rightfully so for the most part. But I think there is much value in standing a part from it and questioning it.


I oppose a ban brought about by some to force a choice, or lack thereof onto others. I am not a big fan of fois gras myself, but I cannot see the logic in trying to force others to not consume it id they wish. Convincing people to change their views is a much more effective path in my opinion, but that is not really that possible with some of the AR goals.


I do agree generally, but a certain amount of agitation of some kind or another has historically brought change.


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Cruelty is emboldened by silence ....

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Cruelty, like beauty, is defined differently by everyone ......

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Anyone visting the Perigord area of France (I have) can visit the farms where pate de foie gras comes from, and see for themselves how the animals are treated. Not that I expect any AR people to have done so - taking selfies with well-cared for animals and seeing for themselves how animals are fed would not serve their agenda.


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Cruelty, like beauty, is defined differently by everyone ......


But redressed by Karma evenly ...

(Suffering can only be requited by suffering)

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Cobie wrote:
Anyone visting the Perigord area of France (I have) can visit the farms where pate de foie gras comes from, and see for themselves how the animals are treated. Not that I expect any AR people to have done so - taking selfies with well-cared for animals and seeing for themselves how animals are fed would not serve their agenda.


Let people decide for themselves.

Here Janet Street-Porter visits a French foie gras farm.

'Happy ducks'? Make your own mind up about that one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJf6_cchSEE

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:49 am 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Cruelty, like beauty, is defined differently by everyone ......


Not so Wayne. When you experience cruelty ..... that is exactly how you know that when someone else is in pain ... you are too. Is not your body the same as theirs?

This is not the same as walking into someone's living room.


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