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this is an article by Pres. Jimmy Carter on the current situation in Gaza.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 45_pf.html

Same here. You can't deal with terrorists by negotiating with them. I don't know why this fantasy persists.

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"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

which fantasy are you referring to?

hmm, and why is Libya nowadays considered a 'good guy'? even though Mohmar Khadafi used to be public enemy number one? Libya was responsible for bombing a commercial airliner over scotland that killed numerous Americans and other nationals, and they were a major sponsor and exporter of terrorism for decades... Yet, ...through negotiations and what not, he's now one of the 'good guys'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103#Victims

and the IRA struggle has come to an end, not because Britain bombed the shite out of Ireland, but because they negotiated...think about it.

You really believe that it was negotiation that did it? That politics wasn't being played and isn't a game? That terrorists are no longer in Libya?

You really believe the IRA struggle is over? Its simmering and ready to explode. Its not over. They still hate Britain.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

my point is that Libya is no longer considered one of the 'bad guys', and they did negotiate with them to get to this point, as opposed to blowing them off the map or starving their people out. Although Reagan tried to assisinate Khadafi , that might have played a part too.

I wouldn't know if the IRA struggle is over for good but I do believe its moved onto the political stage and that there is no real active armed IRA component at this time. what the future holds, who knows. again the point is that negotiations got them to where they are now,... a peaceful solution to a problem that was not being solved by violence.

are you familiar with the USS Liberty?

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ussliberty.html

The one where they stop shooting long enough TO negotiate, maybe?

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The 'bad guys' just moved their operations elsewhere. Thats the way it is with muslim terrorists. If more decisive action had been taken perhaps more lives could have been saved.



The underlying problem isn't solved. The hate has existed for generations and is still there.



Yes. I also know you are looking at a site with a very clear agenda. If the goal was "full and accurate information" they'd include a lot more. They're very selective about what they include.

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"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/niva.php?articleid=14022

"War of Choice: How Israel Manufactured the Gaza Escalation" by Steve Niva

disputing Israels' claim that civilian casualties were used by Hamas as human shields...

http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090 ... 36290/1140

The ‘Oldest Hatred’

In Toronto, anti-Israel demonstrators yell “You are the brothers of pigs!”, and a protester complains to his interviewer that “Hitler didn’t do a good job.”

In Fort Lauderdale, Palestinian supporters sneer at Jews, “You need a big oven, that’s what you need!”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Zj ... M1YjU2Zjc=

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

and this , one more for the road...it was Israel, not Hamas, who broke this ceasefire, they did it in November by raiding across the border and killing 6 people...why? doesn't matter, it was a violation of the ceasefire...but Hamas is being blamed for starting all this by breaking the ceasfire 2 weeks ago...that's Bull...

Jews have always been universally hated. Its not because of their battle with Hamas. I'm not bent on proving one side over the other. I've heard the arguments for both sides.



Since when? They're very selective in what they condemn.



In your opinion. I suppose they should just continue to sit back and put up with people who want to see their extermination.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

Israel denies the right of Palestinians to exist in Palestine. This is the root of it all.

and furthermore, there is international law for a reason...individual countries don't get to decide for themselves what is, or is not, war crimes by international law...but it does come down to who has the will or the power to take action on those war crimes.

anyone think that there is 'balance' in this equation? think 'hatred' is not a key motive?


yes b'y, nuke em all! that'll teach em!

To those who side with Hamas it is.



No one is bound by international law unless they choose to be.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com