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why are these nations being attacked by muslims?

and here's the goods on arafat...in spite of the violence of his early years, his latter years were involved in negotiating peaceful settlement with Israel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

Yizhak Rabin, President of Israel assassinated by an Israeli extremist for negotiating peace...

which is why you must understand where your info comes from and you should try to prove yourself wrong, in order to prove your right. That's a basic scientific principle.

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My point is more along the lines of people tend to believe they are objective when they really aren't.

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can you look at western, christian history and not say that we have oppressed others in the world? its kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

There has been a clash of civilizations through the ages, various cultures, various religions, empires, etc, fighting to expand territory and ideologies. They rise and fall like the tide , in history. Can you really say that Islam has been any worse through the ages than Christianity?

Many of the regional conflicts around the globe today are a result of the aftermath of European colonisation that left unnatural borders based on Euro sentiments or agreements rather than local custom and history. Hence, groups that would have adhered to natural local separations had been forced to share a country, with one group dominating the other mercilessly...Rwanda is one such example...with predictable results.

are any muslim extremists trying to convert christians or Jews? I doubt it but I can't say that there are none who have gone that far... they typically act on hating us for our actions that interfere with them in their lands...eg: palestine for one...(not for our freedom!!!)

think about apghanistan today...the bombing of wedding parties that kill dozens of innocent people leads to further radicalization of their survivors...leads to more extremist jihadis who want revenge...we are in a downward spiral until someone with power in the world realises this!

same with Israel and the Palestinians, until they reach a peaceful settlement, or kill every last one (seems to be their preference), there will still be rockets coming across their borders. With every rocket, the Palestinians are saying 'we are still here and we want our land back!"...

again, I ask, what right does Israel have to Palestine than the Palestinian Arabs do not have?

do you feel that you are objective? try my approach and try to prove yourself wrong, if you can't then you might just be right.

I have always used that approach but its ongoing because no one is wholly objective.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

I have reposted this link , hopefully within forum guidelines...the previous post had 4 or 5 sentences instead of 2...anyways the link is there if anyone wants to read it. I'd love to hear comments on this person's POV. he makes some pretty sharp points, IMO.

just saw a couple more stories I'd like to post, with this question,...who is the victim? who holds the moral high ground?

There is no doubt in my mind that the situation is insane and vastly unequitable. To take the land away from the Palestinians by force back in 1948 was an insane "solution" to the problem of finding a place to call home for the Jewish people. How could the dreamers of this scheme not have foreseen endless problems with this arrangement?

But now, I agree with you in that it is a "fait accompli" and that the Palestinian people must be listened to - otherwise it is plain to see where the next generations of "terrorists" will come from.

I have been off the board for some time, but I see that you have patiently and consistently provided excellent links which reveal to those who have been inundated by a biased media, a more complete story of what is really happening there. Much appreciated.

Translation - I like your links because I agree with you. The complete story really doesn't matter.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com

then what is the complete story?

do you beleive that Palestinians have no rights to the lands taken from them by Israel? where did Israelis live before 1948? where did Palestinians live before 1948? there is blood on the hands of both sides but who has rights over the other ? where did this start?

this link outlines where it started, from a Jewish , anti-zionist, source...

then what is the complete story?

do you beleive that Palestinians have no rights to the lands taken from them by Israel? where did Israelis live before 1948? where did Palestinians live before 1948? there is blood on the hands of both sides but who has rights over the other ? where did this start?
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I don't have a horse in this race but if forced to choose sides I would not side with Hamas or anyone that supports Hamas. I've said that before. I've read the propaganda from both sides and have acquaintances who've lived in the area. In the end the tiebreaker for me is how Hamas treats its own people - brutally and callously. Thats not the fault of the Israelis.

Anyway, it was directed at animal-friendly who tends to only pick out what he/she wants to be true, not you.

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"Animal rights is mental illness masquerading as philosophy" ~ Unknown

"The mightiest of weapons is truth. And everyone knows you’re not permitted to enter a Government building with a weapon." -- The Covert Comic www.covertcomic.com