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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 12:14 am 
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How do you feel about spots on your apples? In the early 1970s, Jodi Mitchell told us she preferred them to the DDT that was quickly gaining popularity as a pesticide in commercial farming.

Today, as a reaction to the hormones and other additives, pesticides and other chemicals, and genetic modification that are changing the face of the human-food relationship, a movement toward organic food is becoming broadly popular.

Organic farming is by no means limited to produce. Organic options are widely available for just about anything you put in your fridge or pantry: coffee and tea, chocolate, dairy (including milk, butter, and cheese), grains (breads, pasta, and cereals), seafood, meat, and meat alternatives (like tofu, legumes, and nuts), and even wine and beer, just to get you started.

Next, you can go organic in your bathroom by choosing all-natural soap, shampoo, deodorant, toothpaste, and cosmetics. Organic certification even exists on clothing, furniture, gardening supplies, and bedding and other textiles.

As the availability of organics has spread, however, so has the controversy. Some question the validity of organic farming as an environmental movement, citing things like lower productivity and unchanged transportation and energy needs as a case against organics.

Another problem with the organic label is that it's easily faked or, more accurately, difficult to verify just by looking at your lettuce. Make sure whatever you're buying bears an official endorsement from an accredited, government-recognized organics organization.

Many critics also suggest that the price gap between organic and conventionally-produced goods reflects more of an economic avarice than a truly higher production cost in other words, that some companies or vendors will charge more for something with an organic label because they know they can.

As with everything else, you need to decide for yourself where you stand on this issue. Combining organic with initiatives like fair trade or local farming is a good way to increase the good you're doing.


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How do you feel about spots on your apples? In the early 1970s, Jodi Mitchell told us she preferred them to the DDT that was quickly gaining popularity as a pesticide in commercial farming.


"Hey farmer, farmer, put away the DDT now.
Give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees now.
Pleeeease.
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." (Joni Mitchell)

How am I going to ge that tune out of my head?
I know! I'll put on some "Slayer"!


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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:21 am 
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Organic clothing is cool, if not due to the fact that it is organic than the style and way it's put together. As for food, never once have I had organic fruits and vegetables that weren't bland as all get out. Non-organic tastes better, spots or not. In fact, I consistently get the best from old guys that home grow, use fertilizer, and sell it out of the back of their pickup trucks. Organic tea and coffee are much better, IMO, meat can go either way, while cleaning and body care products don't seem to perform as well as their traditional versions.

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 Post subject: Re: Shop Organic
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From a scientific standpoint, I have my doubts that organic is all it's cracked up to be. It is dubious as to whether it can feed the world:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/ ... feed-world

I agree with Fosgate on this. I HATE organic fruits and veggies. They are indeed bland and not as good as regular produce. I love to eat sour green apples. I tried some organic Granny Smith's one time and it was flat and had no bite to it at all. And I'm not going to pay those kinds of prices for an inferior product. I do like organic milk. It tastes better to me than regular. Organic meat is also good. We buy a lot of locally raised organic buffalo that is outstanding. Organic coffee is good too.

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How do you feel about spots on your apples? In the early 1970s, Jodi Mitchell told us she preferred them to the DDT that was quickly gaining popularity as a pesticide in commercial farming.


"Hey farmer, farmer, put away the DDT now.
Give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees now.
Pleeeease.
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." (Joni Mitchell)

How am I going to ge that tune out of my head?
I know! I'll put on some "Slayer"!


You like Slayer, AF? We might actually have something in common. Best metal band ever.

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How do you feel about spots on your apples? In the early 1970s, Jodi Mitchell told us she preferred them to the DDT that was quickly gaining popularity as a pesticide in commercial farming.


"Hey farmer, farmer, put away the DDT now.
Give me spots on my apples, but leave me the birds and the bees now.
Pleeeease.
Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." (Joni Mitchell)

How am I going to ge that tune out of my head?
I know! I'll put on some "Slayer"!


You like Slayer, AF? We might actually have something in common. Best metal band ever.


Actually Grizzly, I don't care for metal at all, unless AC/DC could be considered metal? I just thought it was funny to juxtapose Joni Mitchell with a death-metal band like Slayer - as an intidote. The notion struck me as humorous. :razz:


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 Post subject: Re: Shop Organic
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I do like organic milk. It tastes better to me than regular.


I'm going to conduct a taste test today...not with milk though. Fresh Market sells their brand of fresh squeezed orange juice in both regular and organic forms. The regular completely knocks my socks off; the tart gets me right in the back of my jaw on both sides. Never had the organic though. We'll find out if it's more the freshness or the organicness when it comes to taste.

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Fosgate wrote:
Grizzly Bear wrote:
I do like organic milk. It tastes better to me than regular.


I'm going to conduct a taste test today...not with milk though. Fresh Market sells their brand of fresh squeezed orange juice in both regular and organic forms. The regular completely knocks my socks off; the tart gets me right in the back of my jaw on both sides. Never had the organic though. We'll find out if it's more the freshness or the organicness when it comes to taste.


So, today is long over. How did it go?

I'm not sure about most fruit and veggies, but have you ever taste-tested bananas or strawberries? There is, for my buds, an extraordinary difference, ESPECIALLY with strawberries. The organic fruit - which of course (?) includes the ones you grow, are smaller and much more dense (kinda like Pluto was supposed to be) and waaaay more tasty than the inorganic, store bought ones which are big and plump and watery. Eating organic strawberries is like, "Huh? You mean this is how strawberries are supposed to taste? Yum times infinity!

I have planted a bunch of strawberry plants this spring and am sooo looking forward to harvest time.

..... Still, curious about how your experiment went .... ?


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From a scientific standpoint, I have my doubts that organic is all it's cracked up to be. It is dubious as to whether it can feed the world:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/ ... feed-world

I agree with Fosgate on this. I HATE organic fruits and veggies. They are indeed bland and not as good as regular produce. I love to eat sour green apples. I tried some organic Granny Smith's one time and it was flat and had no bite to it at all. And I'm not going to pay those kinds of prices for an inferior product. I do like organic milk. It tastes better to me than regular. Organic meat is also good. We buy a lot of locally raised organic buffalo that is outstanding. Organic coffee is good too.



"HATE", Grizzly? Why ever use the word "HATE" ,.... is there ever a real instance? It's a very strong word ....

As for organics .... there is never a "world solution" and there will never be one. But it still makes sense to recycle ... and even to support organic growers ... in your area. Even if its meat ... if you must plow down .... if you decide there is a need to do so ... then you must.

What is organic milk? I don't drink milk anyway, but am corious as to what it is?


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..... Still, curious about how your experiment went .... ?


Non-organic, hands down. I've had organic bananas but not strawberries. Non-organic wins that one too. Though I don't doubt the strawberries you grow yourself are awesome.

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Actually Grizzly, I don't care for metal at all, unless AC/DC could be considered metal? I just thought it was funny to juxtapose Joni Mitchell with a death-metal band like Slayer - as an intidote. The notion struck me as humorous. :razz:


I'm probably one of only a few people that has both Joni Mitchell and Slayer on my iPod. 8)

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From a scientific standpoint, I have my doubts that organic is all it's cracked up to be. It is dubious as to whether it can feed the world:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/features/ ... feed-world

I agree with Fosgate on this. I HATE organic fruits and veggies. They are indeed bland and not as good as regular produce. I love to eat sour green apples. I tried some organic Granny Smith's one time and it was flat and had no bite to it at all. And I'm not going to pay those kinds of prices for an inferior product. I do like organic milk. It tastes better to me than regular. Organic meat is also good. We buy a lot of locally raised organic buffalo that is outstanding. Organic coffee is good too.



"HATE", Grizzly? Why ever use the word "HATE" ,.... is there ever a real instance? It's a very strong word ....

As for organics .... there is never a "world solution" and there will never be one. But it still makes sense to recycle ... and even to support organic growers ... in your area. Even if its meat ... if you must plow down .... if you decide there is a need to do so ... then you must.

What is organic milk? I don't drink milk anyway, but am corious as to what it is?



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"HATE", Grizzly? Why ever use the word "HATE" ,.... is there ever a real instance? It's a very strong word ....


Oh, please, I'm referring to a food item, not to people. Lighten up and spare us the sanctimony.


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What is organic milk? I don't drink milk anyway, but am corious as to what it is?


I believe organic milk is milk that comes from cows who have been fed feed that has not been treated with pesticides or chemicals. The cows themselves may also have not been treated with things like hormones, but I'm not sure about that. Sammy the dairy farmer who posts here sometimes could probably tell you exactly how it's produced.

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I agree with Fosgate on this. I HATE organic fruits and veggies.


"HATE", Grizzly? Why ever use the word "HATE" ,.... is there ever a real instance? It's a very strong word ....

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Oh, please, I'm referring to a food item, not to people. Lighten up and spare us the sanctimony.


Yeah, okay. I oughtta pick my battles, right? Still, even if not referring to people .... seems a little over the top of the hyberbole tree.

Anyone know how to deal with tent caterpillars? I have an infested apple tree .... I don't mind "spots on my apples", but these guys seem intent on destroying the tree ....


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Anyone know how to deal with tent caterpillars? I have an infested apple tree .... I don't mind "spots on my apples", but these guys seem intent on destroying the tree ....


So what? Don't they have that right?

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Grizz pretty much has it correct.
Organic milk comes from cows raised organically.
The calf may come from a non organic operation but must be raised organically.
Animals are fed only organically raised feed and are not treated with most modern non organic treatments.
(Although there used to be ways to feed non organic feed if you absolutely couldn't get organic feed, not sure if this was changed or not.)
There have been some changes made in the organic rules in order to stop big companies from cashing in, such as requiring more grazing but I don't see big corps being shut out too long.....if there's money to be made you'll see factory organic dairy farms still.
There's one down the road from me that milks several hundred...really shoots down the organic activists picture of a quaint little red barn with 5 or so cows being hand milked......

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