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That's the argument, really, about "tolerance" of illegal immigrants and illegal immigration.

Yes, that title is inflammatory. Intentionally so.

Yet that is the actual position of those arguing for any sort of amnesty, "path forward" or "forbearance" for those who are either illegal immigrants themselves or the employers of same.

Today there are those who argue that their economic model requires illegal immigrant labor (chicken processing plants, fruit pickers, etc) and those illegal immigrants who argue that enforcement of the law is "discrimination" and "wrong."

In the 1800s there were similarly both those arguing that their economic model required slavery and there were some slaves who actually liked their condition and wanted it protected, as it provided them some measure of security they would otherwise lose!

Nonetheless we saw the correct path -- that slavery is morally indefensible irrespective of those arguments, including whether someone's economic model requires it to work.
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I suppose the article could be taken as any strawman argument is better than no argument.

That is the only way to connect the amnesty position for presently illegal immigrants as promoting slavery, since the outcome would be to allow them to follow a new legal path to citizenship rather than stay an illegal alien.

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The vicious cycle started with an amnesty followed by non-enforcement of existing laws--Title8USC1324-5. Overbreeding Latinos caused wage declines and lack of jobs in their own countries, then illegally came to the US to be hired by law breaking Americans wishing to keep wages low to get more profits and underbid or sell more cheaply than their competition. Americans were driven out of jobs from outright physical force or wages too low to live on, while illegals were allowed to live in far over the legal occupancy of buildings. The border has been trashed out, National Forests burned by them, National Parks and Monuments damaged, ranches and other property robbed and damaged. The ripple effect spread through a variety of jobs, suppressing wages. People could afford less and sought out cheaper products, exacerbating the problem and bringing in the overpopulated low buck of China, too.
Millions of Americans encouraged, aided, abetted, and employed illegals in felony violation of the law, for which they owe $5K fines for EACH illegal or more. The illegals owe $5K fines plus fines for trashing out and ruining the border. The total amount owed by law is staggering, and well over the amount needed to deport all of the illegals and pay off our entire National Debt.
Out of work Americans will take agricultural jobs, they will take construction jobs, they will take factory, housekeeping, and janitorial jobs. They will want fair wages and will pay taxes. Prices will rise 10 to 20%, perhaps, but they are on their way anyway from overpopulation.
A 10% reduction in US population will help, from deporting all the illegals. Having no National Debt will help our economy. However, we need no more immigration at all and laws that help reduce our population to sustainable long term while reducing our emissions 90%. =D> :clap: =D> :angel: \:D/

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:21 pm 
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This emission thing is propoganda to create a new tax.

The oceans are responsible for most emissions followed by volcanoes. Cows and ants are not far behind. Man is way behind. :shock:

Maybes the creatures are getting a raw deal in this statistical nonsense that the so called experts are indulging in.

Climate change yes; manmade global warming no!


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mothy wrote:
This emission thing is propoganda to create a new tax.

The oceans are responsible for most emissions followed by volcanoes. Cows and ants are not far behind.


No, you are confusing the carbon cycle with carbon emissions in the case of the oceans, cows, and ants. The volcanic emissions are far below those of fossil fuel sources.

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Man is way behind. :shock:


Not if you understand the difference between carbon emissions and carbon cycle.

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Maybes the creatures are getting a raw deal in this statistical nonsense that the so called experts are indulging in.


Neither statistics nor experts are correctly represented in this claim.

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Climate change yes; manmade global warming no !


So why does the release of several gigatons of carbon formerly sequestered for millions of years not have an impact on the climate?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:45 pm 
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Wayne Stollings wrote:
mothy wrote:
This emission thing is propoganda to create a new tax.

The oceans are responsible for most emissions followed by volcanoes. Cows and ants are not far behind.


No, you are confusing the carbon cycle with carbon emissions in the case of the oceans, cows, and ants. The volcanic emissions are far below those of fossil fuel sources.

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Man is way behind. :shock:


Not if you understand the difference between carbon emissions and carbon cycle.

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Maybes the creatures are getting a raw deal in this statistical nonsense that the so called experts are indulging in.


Neither statistics nor experts are correctly represented in this claim.

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Climate change yes; manmade global warming no !


So why does the release of several gigatons of carbon formerly sequestered for millions of years not have an impact on the climate?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs

The warming of the earth and the cooling has gone on for millenium. The fossil fuel propoganda is part of the mindset the authorities love to control you with. You are buying into this rubbish and they relish in their superficial control. People do not seem to realise the size of emissions to the size of the world is tiny. Look at China and India the emissions they are given off but we seem to be breathing okay. Wake up and smell the coffee. And if I'm wrong you can put me in your pipe and smoke me (more emissions)


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mothy wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs

The warming of the earth and the cooling has gone on for millenium.


Yes, but it does not appear to have ever warmed so rapidly as it has in the past century or so.

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The fossil fuel propoganda is part of the mindset the authorities love to control you with.


Not really, it is basic science and math.

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You are buying into this rubbish and they relish in their superficial control.


No, I am buying the evidence rather than the assumptions and conspiracy theories.

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People do not seem to realise the size of emissions to the size of the world is tiny.


Do is a drop of nerve gas in a closed room, but it will kill you just as easily as a large quantity.

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Look at China and India the emissions they are given off but we seem to be breathing okay.


We do, but not the people living in China and India .....

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Wake up and smell the coffee.


I prefer a good cup of Earl Grey, actually.

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And if I'm wrong you can put me in your pipe and smoke me (more emissions)


And if it is too late to act we may just smoke our children's futures too.

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When the Roman Empire raised its ugly head grapes were grown in England because the temperature was so mild; in the 18th century the Thames froze over because it was so cold, a mini ice age.


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
mothy wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs

The warming of the earth and the cooling has gone on for millenium.


Yes, but it does not appear to have ever warmed so rapidly as it has in the past century or so.

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The fossil fuel propoganda is part of the mindset the authorities love to control you with.


Not really, it is basic science and math.

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You are buying into this rubbish and they relish in their superficial control.


No, I am buying the evidence rather than the assumptions and conspiracy theories.

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People do not seem to realise the size of emissions to the size of the world is tiny.


Do is a drop of nerve gas in a closed room, but it will kill you just as easily as a large quantity.

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Look at China and India the emissions they are given off but we seem to be breathing okay.


We do, but not the people living in China and India .....

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Wake up and smell the coffee.


I prefer a good cup of Earl Grey, actually.

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And if I'm wrong you can put me in your pipe and smoke me (more emissions)


And if it is too late to act we may just smoke our children's futures too.



So I take it you are falling on the floor with smog in the U.S.A. Are you gasping for an oxygen mask? Or are you being melodramatic? No you are not, you are not falling over with smog that is.

Yes they are places that are over polluted but it is a regional concern not a global one. L.A is one place that is polluted. But for every place on earth that is over polluted there are a thousand which are not. So like I said it is a regional problem not a global one.

And strong winds can soon see to that. Clear the air like clearing your mind from the pollution of propaganda.


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mothy wrote:

So I take it you are falling on the floor with smog in the U.S.A.


Smog is a different type of emission than causes warming. It was originally smoke and particulate matter from coal, but is now usually related to hydrocarbon combustion such as in automobiles. In any case, this is a new addition to the discussion.

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Are you gasping for an oxygen mask? Or are you being melodramatic? No you are not, you are not falling over with smog that is.


Not badly but we are in an ozone unattainment area, which means the air quality is on average below the national standard.

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Yes they are places that are over polluted but it is a regional concern not a global one. L.A is one place that is polluted. But for every place on earth that is over polluted there are a thousand which are not. So like I said it is a regional problem not a global one.


Which is completley different from the emissions which affect the warming. The GHGs are all generally clear type emissions and not particulate or aerosoles.

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And strong winds can soon see to that. Clear the air like clearing your mind from the pollution of propaganda.


It left this bit of propaganda you used. The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are rising although they do have a seasonal cycle of high and low peaks.

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Johhny Electriglide wrote:
The vicious cycle started with an amnesty followed by non-enforcement of existing laws--Title8USC1324-5. Overbreeding Latinos caused wage declines and lack of jobs in their own countries, then illegally came to the US to be hired by law breaking Americans wishing to keep wages low to get more profits and underbid or sell more cheaply than their competition. Americans were driven out of jobs from outright physical force or wages too low to live on, while illegals were allowed to live in far over the legal occupancy of buildings. The border has been trashed out, National Forests burned by them, National Parks and Monuments damaged, ranches and other property robbed and damaged. The ripple effect spread through a variety of jobs, suppressing wages. People could afford less and sought out cheaper products, exacerbating the problem and bringing in the overpopulated low buck of China, too.
Millions of Americans encouraged, aided, abetted, and employed illegals in felony violation of the law, for which they owe $5K fines for EACH illegal or more. The illegals owe $5K fines plus fines for trashing out and ruining the border. The total amount owed by law is staggering, and well over the amount needed to deport all of the illegals and pay off our entire National Debt.
Out of work Americans will take agricultural jobs, they will take construction jobs, they will take factory, housekeeping, and janitorial jobs. They will want fair wages and will pay taxes. Prices will rise 10 to 20%, perhaps, but they are on their way anyway from overpopulation.
A 10% reduction in US population will help, from deporting all the illegals. Having no National Debt will help our economy. However, we need no more immigration at all and laws that help reduce our population to sustainable long term while reducing our emissions 90%. =D> :clap: =D> :angel: \:D/
Mothy hijacks and shows incredible ignorance along with mental illness. A bad combination, perhaps a best use scenario would be compost. Actually a best use scenario for most of the population. :twisted: =P~ :-k :-s
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i think that this is not a good thing to create a tax.....its not necessary that every tax is made on a simple human who spend a simple life.so i think its not helpful for the simple man and remember one thing that the its not depend on a man that man change a global warming.


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