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| Author: | Fosgate [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:44 am ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:27 am ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:29 am ] |
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So as long as we view a supernatural entity as an indeterminate human feeling or emotion and not a true entity that impacts the universe as a whole we can all agree. That would seem to change the definition of the supernatural entity as claimed in the organized beliefs, but whatever works. It cannot be directly compared to love as there are specific physical changes in relation to love which can be measured by science, just as good can be quantiifed by measurements. The impact of the belief may have certain factors which can also be measured in humans, but the impact of a belief is not evidence of the accuracy of said belief. |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:54 am ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:03 am ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:23 am ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:02 pm ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:00 pm ] |
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In this case, I am willing to accept other than scientific evidence. That's that. |
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| Author: | Besoeker [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:47 pm ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:29 pm ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:18 am ] |
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| Author: | Besoeker [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:00 am ] |
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| Author: | Tim the Plumber [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:19 am ] |
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Just becuse the almighty does not stop the un-necessary suffering in the world does not provide evidence of his non-existance. It just means that if he does exist he is a right evil git. |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:17 am ] |
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| Author: | Ann Vole [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:41 am ] |
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the problem with much of the arguments here is trying to quantify a population of one individual. Statistics is the only way to quantify the action of individuals and you need a population of sufficient size to see trends. If this individual we call God heals one person but not another there is no statistic we can place on this individual in regard to healing. Looking the other way around, nearly every culture in the past has miracles in its mythology. Statistically, the belief in miracles is high and consistent. Statistically the belief in a supernatural power is also high and consistent. It is untested theory but I would suspect both of those bell-curves are directly proportional within the same types of populations. This tells me that miracles do happen and likely only happen to be witnessed by those that believe in a supernatural being. I also have had non-believers witness the miracles I witnessed myself. Shortly later I have had some of these individuals tell me they have no memory of the event. The most logical conclusion is that these people could not reconcile the miracle with science and so their brains relegated that memory to being fiction or a dream. You cannot rely on an individual to be consistent and in a monotheistic religion (as most modern ones are), it is the actions of a single individual being called God. Some "Eastern" religions will ascribe spiritual activity to a force of the spirits of all the deceased but they still ascribe the actions of this collective spirit to intelligent decisions which is not consistent with a physical force that fallows scientifically verifiable laws in a repeatable fashion. |
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