The best thing for the entire world would be the non-existence of the islam cult and its followers
. IMHO 
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Wed May 15, 2013 10:46 pm ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Wed May 15, 2013 11:23 pm ] |
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I went into edit to copy and paste the links and that worked. http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/cha ... 325859818/ 07/01/12 But along comes the supreme Hamas leader, Khaled Mash’al, and declares that Hamas has given up all violent action. From now on it will concentrate on non-violent mass demonstrations, in the spirit of the Arab Spring. When Hamas forswears terrorism, there is no pretext for an attack on Gaza. So no more violent actions since before July 2012? Wow, that means those hundreds of rockets reported on the news did not really happen? It seems the "opinion" piece has little conncetion to reality, which is to be expected given the quality of references provided. This is a wikisource, but it does list a series of references for support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... rael,_2012 July In July, according to the Israel Security Agency's monthly summary, Palestinians launched 18 rockets and 9 mortar shells at Israel in 28 separate attacks. August In August, according to the Israel Security Agency's monthly summary, Palestinians fired 21 rockets and 3 mortar shells at Israel in 16 separate attacks. September In September, according to the Israel Security Agency's monthly summary, Palestinians fired 17 rockets and 8 mortar shells at Israel in 25 separate attacks. October In October, according to the Israel Security Agency's monthly summary, Palestinians fired 116 rockets and 55 mortar shells at Israel in 92 separate attacks. November In November, according to the Israel Security Agency's monthly summary, Palestinians fired 1734 rockets and 83 mortar shells at Israel in 633 separate attacks. 1906 rockets and 158 mortar shells in 794 separate attacks in the six months after the article declaring that "Hamas has given up all violent action" was published. I suppose one can believe in one's belief or one can look at the facts to see if the beliefs are supported. The latter indicates an acceptance of violent action if not a clear desire for it by Hamas. One can assume they really wanted to stop the violence, but the actions do not support that belief. The other article is not even worth discussing after the rest of the glaring failures. |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Thu May 16, 2013 7:55 am ] |
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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerma ... so-elusive The security environment continues to deteriorate. In 2012, the Israeli security service reports, there were 578 terrorist attacks in the West Bank, up from 320 in 2011. On the Gaza border, where Israel once had a security presence, 281 rockets were fired into Israel its last full year there; by 2006, with Israel having left Gaza, the rocket barrage number rose to 1,777. The world looks the other way. Israel is expected to bear all this with grace and fortitude. But it can't. Is there any society that would sit on its hands when its citizens are routinely exposed to death, injury, and destruction? Imagine Washington under missile attack from nearby Baltimore as a way to understand what it is to be targeted by thousands of rocket and missile attacks from Hamas and Hezbollah. And this is a region that seems to be moving from the era of personal dictators to an era of dictatorial Islamic fundamentalism. When Israelis witness the slaughter in Syria and the world looks the other way, they understand what would have happened to them had they not been strong in 1948 and again in 1973 when Egypt and the coalition of Arab states took them by surprise in launching the Yom Kippur War. They are not inclined to let their guard down again. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerma ... iddle-east All of the efforts that seemed to put progress within reach, from the Oslo process and talks between Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat at Camp David to Ehud Olmert's offer to Mahmoud Abbas in 2007 to withdraw from most of the West Bank, have only resulted in intifada and terror, all on the grounds that Israel has been intransigent. It was "intransigent" Israel that pulled out of Gaza, dismantled every settlement there, withdrew every soldier, gave the land to the Gazans—and got no peace. It was "intransigent" Israel that pulled out of Lebanon, only to see Hezbollah, a puppet of Iran, gain power with the help of the murderous Syrian occupiers. |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Thu May 16, 2013 9:57 pm ] |
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| Author: | Fosgate [ Thu May 16, 2013 10:16 pm ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Thu May 16, 2013 10:28 pm ] |
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| Author: | Wayne Stollings [ Thu May 16, 2013 10:41 pm ] |
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http://www.jstor.org/stable/2187520?seq=2 Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Nations I "Every nation has the right to exist, and to protect and to conserve its existence." |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:44 pm ] |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:25 am ] |
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One doesn't have to look far to see the politics of IBD is rightwing nutcase. Just the comments on their site show the kind of xenophobic whack jobs they attract. Until I see it from an objective source I don't believe a word of the article. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:50 pm ] |
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The best thing for the entire world would be the non-existence of the islam cult and its followers . IMHO
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| Author: | Dingo [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:59 pm ] |
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How about the Christian cult and its followers? |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:36 pm ] |
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| Author: | Dingo [ Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:20 am ] |
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Too bad you've got your environmentalism mixed up with sick bigotry. Muslims were talking about the problem of exponential growth long before Malthus came along. Your cluelessness about Christian cults colonizing, murdering and wrecking the planet far more than anything Muslims ever imagined is stunning. And of course out breeding everybody. It's perversely consistent that you would arrogantly support the anti-Semitic pogrom, holocaust producing Christians shoving Israel down Muslims throats as a kind of "sorry" gesture. You've got a little problem with your supposed no aid to foreigners policy when Israel is the biggest aid sucker we have. But then they only ethnically cleanse Muslim and Christian Palestinians. |
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| Author: | Johhny Electriglide [ Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:21 pm ] |
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Sick bigotry? Ethnic cleansing by Jews? Plus more pro-moslem claptrap. Are you a moslem?  You sure seem like one, lying in furtherance of the kill cult  
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| Author: | Dingo [ Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:24 pm ] |
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