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We know this is going to happen again. We know there is this level of aberration in our society. Some have proposed armed presence at our schools and very loudly labeled gun nuts. Arms in schools has worked in other countries. It has worked in Israel, Peru, Philippines, and Thailand. With the bad economy we are seeing law enforcement across this country decimated. From Oakland to Chicago police departments have announced will not respond to burglaries unless the bugler is still there. We are not going to find the funding to pay for an armed presents in our schools anytime soon. What we can do which makes better tactical sense is to enact a volunteer program for any teacher, administrator, janitor, maintenance employee who wishes to carry and go through the training the ability to do so. By training I mean one to three weeks of firearm, tactics, and deadly force training.

One advantage to doing it this way is that a uniformed security or police officer is readily identifiable. At Colombine the shooters knew of an armed presence at the school and staged a diversion at the other end of the campus. Trained unidentified employees make for a much more difficult problem for a planning shooter to surmount, and when it does happen you have the ability to stop an attack much quicker because the first responders are on campus.

Now the training how to respond to an armed attack is a joke. If you look at the Department of Homeland Security’s training film of how to survive workplace violence basically its hunker down under your desk and wait it out. And, that is exactly what our students are instructed to do when gun shots ring out. This is exactly how half of those murders occurred during the Colombine shootings. Kids hiding under tables and desks in the library. This training serves up kids on a platter to murderers.

Lets go back to the late 1950's and look at the fire at Chicago’s Our Lady of Angels Catholic School that took 95 lives. In the time it took the Fire responders to get there many were blocked off and perished. At that time there were no fire extinguisher or fire hoses in the school. That changed. School employees now know exactly where the hoses and extinguishers are and are trained in there use. Schools were retrofitted with fire alarms and sprinklers. Why? To save lives. Every school now has fire drills and every new school is literally built from the ground up to get the kids out as fast as possible. My daughters elementry school has an outside door to every classroom and library. That school can be evacuated in thirty seconds. Logical thinking adults gave the teachers on campus the tools and the training to save lives against a deadly threat.

What happened at Our Lady of Angels is that the nuns told the kids to get under their desks and pray. Today teachers know how to stop bleeding, administer CPR, they know where the fire extinguisher are and the fire hoses and are drilled to get the kids out in case of fire. The armed teacher presents in the next logical step to save the lives of kids considering maniacs target this "gun free" zone on purpose.

Given what is going on in Colorado I can only conclude Democrats are not interested in saving lives. They are only interested in this issue as an opportunity to restrict freedoms. Four major gun bills passed the House and Jessica’s law was killed in committee the week before. One of these laws turned colleges into game preserves where the criminally insane can now hunt our kids without a bag limit. Female students are told by Democrats no your better off with a call box, whistle, or a gun free zone. Women are told no your better off vomiting or pissing yourself to defend against rape.

Average number of deaths where police stop a mass shooting. 14.
Average number of deaths where a citizen concealed carrier stops the mass shooting. 2.

If your a logical reasoning adult it is clear what must happen and what should not happen. This whole argument against protecting our kids and women for the sake of a political issue is quite disgusting really.

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"An unidentified armed guard will not be easy to tell by the bulge of a weapon if they are actually carried on the person"
Not all concealed carry produce an easy to see "bulge". Most are designed specifically not to show. Is that statement "common ignorance"?
The so called amount of training gap depends on the person. Well trained people can lose their cool or make the wrong decision, while supposedly untrained have been very effective in stopping an attack.
We do know that present criminals and many insane or exhibiting violent mental aberrations will not obey laws, so the law abiding will be at a disadvantage, as they have been. The proposed gun bans and regulations will not change that.
I don't believe the jump to ban from some 2/3 preventable incidents has anything to do with saving school kids' lives. I believe it is for more government control over the law abiding.
Colorado has proposed a ban on 9 shot magazines in common home defense shotguns, to 8 shot. Why? As if 8 shots is not deadly? What am I supposed to do, put a 2 3/4" plug in? Or am I a criminal now for having the Mossberg 9 shot? Is it because the police shotguns are 9 shot and then they will have that one shot advantage over a formerly law abiding citizen? You know the crooks won't bother putting in a plug. Hunters, if they are legal, must have a plug to no more than 3 shots for hunting season.
How about all the money spent by the people who have bought those AR15 and other banned types? Is the government going to give them their money back?
If the reason for it were for the general protection, then the police and military should be similarly hamstrung, because many have turned bad, and been in the papers lately more than school shootings. Then again, we would have those criminals and other domestic enemies who just won't obey the rules, just like the enemies in war zones don't obey the Geneva Convention (from communists to moslems) while we "try" to, but even the "good guys" still cause collateral damage.
So what do we do about the common ignorance, government tyranny, and all the scofflaws(including those elected officials who commit felonies)?

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The Heizer Double Tap. Internal hammer 5/8" thick x 3 1/4" x 3 5/8" 45ACP derringer with 2 quick load in the grip. Or an extended range 1 million volt dart taser disguised as a pointer, book, eraser, or several of each. I have a 31 cal. black powder Judge Roy Bean book single shot derringer. Let me read you a line out of this book!
Or you could be "reasonable" like Canada;
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/in-conse ... ing-green/

Here is a lot more real logic and straight thoughts :clap: :clap: :clap: \:D/ from my fellow guitar slinger;
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and this one for animal friendly and all the other ignorant anti NRA jerks :razz: out there;
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