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http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006 ... 060623.asp
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly ... 99,00.html
500 WMDs found so far.

blah blah blah....Of course Iraq didn't attack us on 9-11
I believe that is an antis line to try to make the war look like a sham.

We waited 12 years for ol Saddam to comply with UN sanctions and show that he was doing away with WMDs he would not. He kicked out UN inspectors.
The problem was with the fact that he did have ties with terrorist networks and the thought that he maybe could slip a few WMDs into the wrong hands for some quick cash was one of the reasons.

It was firmly believed by many that he had WMDs and was actively working with them.





Even the link posted on how we played with documents says the US didn't forge anything it was a CIA mistake that they weren't spotted or reported as fakes. Not a Cheney/Bush thing really at all. They used what they were told was OK.

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here's what I found on the 500 WMD but there appears to be questions
about the legitimacy of these more recent findings.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2006 ... 060623.asp


no one is defending the actions of the UN that organization has failed
miserably in its foreign policy enforcement...why was Saddam allowed to go 12 yrs defying UN Resolutions?




any facts to support that?...transcripts, news quotes?

her book says this:

The book also puts to rest a number of falsities and malicious lies about Sheehan that have appeared in the media and circulated on the Internet since she rose to prominence in August. These include the falsity that she has been divorced from her husband since Casey was four, the allegation that she and her supporters went to Louisiana after the hurricane Katrina disaster in order to garner publicity, the lie that she is anti-Semitic and said her son died protecting Israel, the claim that she has no voice of her own and is a mere puppet for the enemies of the Bush administration, and the accusation that she is unpatriotic and is providing aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States

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if I could wake up tomorrow morning and push a button and all the AR's would be gone, I would lay awake tonight in anticipation of pushing the button.~~OHIOSTEVE

The inspectors were already in country and the US warned them to leave before we attacked, so we were the ones kicking them out. The sanctions seemed to have worked as there were no WMDs and no proof of the programs expected. The only thing preventing full compliance was the threat the Iraqi army would be attacked if it were known there were no WMD type weapons available.



This is correct, they were old shells mixed in with other munitions in ones and twos and were basically useless as a WMD due to the degraded condition.



Which puts the US in the bad position of having destabilized the area and no way to re-stabilize it in the foreseeable future ... thus another open ended conflict in which we have no way to remove ourselves without screwing things up even more. IF we continue badly though we will give them a common enemy to hate even more ... the US.



Not a lot can be done with Hezbollah without risking another civil war in Lebanon, which cost a lot of Marines the last time.



We left Lebanon hanging too ....



No, the two were too much of an enemy. Osama wanted the Arab world to join together to destroy Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. That brought in the foreign troops onto holy soil and made that relationship even more of a conflict as a result.



There is more of a chance of that from North Korea than Iraq but we have not even hinted at an invasion of North Korea.

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thank you Wayne for the clarification on some things.

I remember the Inspectors were already in Iraq when the date was set to invade and they were insisting on more time.

if what they are calling WMD are the old bombs that still had biological and
chemical agents encased well everyone already knew that.

when I hear WMD I'm thinking 'Nuclear'.

it's a holy hell and horror over there...for our soldiers, Iraqi people
and Lebanese people.

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I agree the only way Saddam kept them in line was to kill them. I knew when we went in some of them would be happy to see us, but others that were favored by Saddam would not. They do not think the way we do, and will not react the way we think they should. They have been fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years, and if left undisturbed that will probably continue. The problem is when one gets weapons like WMDs and is willing to sell or give them to a radical group that wants the western world destroyed, do you just stand back and wait for it to happen. If they want to use them on each other, let them. But that's not what's going to happen. One of them, like Iran, will give the Hezbollah a WMD to use here.



Yep we made a big mistake when we left after our Marines were killed by Hezbollah. Osama said that was when he knew we didn't have the stomach for a fight. They despise any sign of weakness in the middle east, and we gave them a great sign of weakness then. And in the 90s we did the same thing. After 9-11 was the only time we showed any backbone and did what we said we'd do. that is something they may not like, but they will respect.

Look at the Iran crisis when Jimmy Carter was in. They kept our hostages 444 days. Right up until the time Reagan was elected. They knew he would come over and get them, when Jimmy wouldn't. Well I guess he did give a half way try with a couple choppers. But Iran watched too many of Regan's cowboy movies, and figured he'd come in with guns blazing, so the hostages were set free.



Ah, I brought up N Korea. But I still think they negotiate by bluffing because that is the only way they know. It worked for them in the 90s, and they got something when they huffed and puffed. Now they figure the same thing will work again. Yes they could sell a nuke to a terrorist for some much needed cash. But unless that guy is totally crazy, and he just may be, they know it could be traced back to them, and then how much good will the money be when we send 150 nukes over to them after they sent their one to us.

I'm more concerned with a religious zealot that wants me and everyone like me dead so his savior can come save him, then I am about a crazy guy that wants money. Money may be the root of all evil, but I have a feeling religious differences have killed more people over the years then a need for money.

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What gives us the right to dictate to others? They only country in this world that has turned WMDs ( Atomic bomb ) on others are the Americans.

You would not let Iran do the same to you in American nor would we in the UK so what right do we have to tell them?

I think America and England should leave the middle east and Afghanistan and sort our own countries out first.

Only because they could develop them sooner. Germany would have done the same to England if they could have gotten the bomb built in time. Bet you're glad that didn't happen.



What right do we have to tell them not to develop a nuke? The right to stay alive. The difference is the US or the UK would not drop a nuke on a country just because their religious belief was not the same as ours. Maybe that makes us civilized, or maybe that makes us stupid, I don't know. But I do know Iran will not blink. They would nuke us as soon as look at us.



Great, you convince me that Iran will nuke the middle east but leave the rest of us alone, and I'll say fine the cost of glass should go down because there is a lot of it in the middle east. But unfortunately it won't work that way. Iran will not see it's savior come until you and I are dead and gone. Unless you have the same religious beliefs as the President of Iran, then you're safe.

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Denni I'm sorry I forgot to address this for you.



I think I brought this up earlier in this thread, and I'm not sure I posted the link where I got it. But I do know I got it by googleing her name.

It said she sent an e mail to ABC, and in it she said Afghanastian was wrong just like Iraq, and that is also where she said her son died for Israel not the US. Later they would ask her about that statement, and she would claim she did not say that, and when shown the e mail she said an ABC employee must have changed it.

I just figured she said it in the e mail, then either thought better of it, or her handlers said that wasn't a good thing to say so deny it.

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WMDs are not just nuclear weapons.
They include bacterial and chemical weapons as well.
And if you will recall Saddam unleashed them on the Kurds.
Then there was that really old war back in the teens when mustard gas was pretty popular.
So while America has been the only country to use nuclear weapons it is not the only to use weapons of mass destruction.

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