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Well, heaven forbid they teach the truth. Much better that we have some theory that doesn't make sense and is full of flaws.


I agree with you Archer. Science should be taught in school and religion left out. No room for anything but science and fact in school. No point clouding children's minds with religious rubbish.


Evolution is not a fact. It is a theory that doesn't hold much water.


Holds more water than god or Jesus. I will stick to evolution you stick to Adam, eve and the lord did it all in seven day poo :lol:


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Archer, you have faith in the Bible, and that is great for you. It is all the argument you really need for your own opinion, but when the discussion is what should be taught to all children in a science class something other than blind faith is needed. The only things that should be taught in a science classroom are those which can be confirmed using scientific methods. In a Sunday school, you can teach whatever you wish, but the same way the Church fought science in the belief the Sun revolved around the Earth, such beliefs are not going to give those taught much of an advantage in the real world of science.

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If God could be "proven", then there would be no need for faith. However, I have yet to see anyone disprove him. That says a lot.

Do you believe the first law of thermodynamics? I'm sure you do. Why? Probably because it's never been proven wrong. It can't be proven right 100%, yet you believe.

So, can anyone prove that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist? If it's all such hogwash and so unbelievable as the truth, surely it isn't hard. Much easier than say...proving that evolution is the truth.

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give us a short essay why you believe Creationism should be taught in schools.


Why would I do that?



so I, we can have a better understanding of who you are, how you feel,
what you think and appreciate, accept and respect that even though
our backgrounds, life history and experiences are different and we have opposing viewpoints and opinions we might learn something from each other...wouldn't that be something.

something Josh said made a whole lot sense...I think teaching about
other cultures and their belief systems would be a better alternative
and hopefully shape young minds to be tolerant of different societies and cultures....maybe wars would stop.

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there are new fields of science
molecular and forensic anthropology that scientists are using to trace the DNA of humans back to their origins using the fossil records of other
hominids.

http://www.becominghuman.org/

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If God could be "proven", then there would be no need for faith. However, I have yet to see anyone disprove him. That says a lot.

Do you believe the first law of thermodynamics? I'm sure you do. Why? Probably because it's never been proven wrong. It can't be proven right 100%, yet you believe.

So, can anyone prove that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist? If it's all such hogwash and so unbelievable as the truth, surely it isn't hard. Much easier than say...proving that evolution is the truth.


You don't even know what is in this "book" that you worship!! :lol:

Opium of the people :lol:


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How can you prove your faith is correct when someone else's faith is in opposition and they believe just as strongly as you do? That is why the only things that should be taught as facts are those which can be proven without the reliance on pure faith.


WORKS FOR ME! Now, I guess we better get evolution out!

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Holds more water than god or Jesus. I will stick to evolution you stick to Adam, eve and the lord did it all in seven day poo :lol:


Jesus didn't hold water, He walked on it. :wink:

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Archer, you have faith in the Bible, and that is great for you. It is all the argument you really need for your own opinion, but when the discussion is what should be taught to all children in a science class something other than blind faith is needed. The only things that should be taught in a science classroom are those which can be confirmed using scientific methods. In a Sunday school, you can teach whatever you wish, but the same way the Church fought science in the belief the Sun revolved around the Earth, such beliefs are not going to give those taught much of an advantage in the real world of science.


I'm not arguing that! Don't teach religion in school. Fine. But evolution does not belong there either. THAT is the problem. Evolution is NOT fact.

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give us a short essay why you believe Creationism should be taught in schools.


Why would I do that?



so I, we can have a better understanding of who you are, how you feel,
what you think and appreciate, accept and respect that even though
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something Josh said made a whole lot sense...I think teaching about
other cultures and their belief systems would be a better alternative
and hopefully shape young minds to be tolerant of different societies and cultures....maybe wars would stop.


You missed my whole point. Why would I write about that when I'm not claiming that should be done? I want evolution out. Here's why: IT'S NOT A FACT.

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denni50 wrote:
there are new fields of science
molecular and forensic anthropology that scientists are using to trace the DNA of humans back to their origins using the fossil records of other
hominids.

http://www.becominghuman.org/


I hear we share a lot of DNA with bananas too. You think we evolved from bananas? :roll:

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If God could be "proven", then there would be no need for faith. However, I have yet to see anyone disprove him. That says a lot.

Do you believe the first law of thermodynamics? I'm sure you do. Why? Probably because it's never been proven wrong. It can't be proven right 100%, yet you believe.

So, can anyone prove that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist? If it's all such hogwash and so unbelievable as the truth, surely it isn't hard. Much easier than say...proving that evolution is the truth.


You don't even know what is in this "book" that you worship!! :lol:

Opium of the people :lol:


Here's a thought. Why don't you accept my challenge? Prove that the Bible is wrong and that God does not exist. That would be a refreshing change from your "oneliners". :roll:

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If God could be "proven", then there would be no need for faith. However, I have yet to see anyone disprove him. That says a lot.

Do you believe the first law of thermodynamics? I'm sure you do. Why? Probably because it's never been proven wrong. It can't be proven right 100%, yet you believe.

So, can anyone prove that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist? If it's all such hogwash and so unbelievable as the truth, surely it isn't hard. Much easier than say...proving that evolution is the truth.


You don't even know what is in this "book" that you worship!! :lol:

Opium of the people :lol:


Here's a thought. Why don't you accept my challenge? Prove that the Bible is wrong and that God does not exist. That would be a refreshing change from your "oneliners". :roll:


Tell you what, you tell me what version you kneel and prey to and I will explain how many times and by who it was rewritten and changed ;)


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Archer wrote:
If God could be "proven", then there would be no need for faith. However, I have yet to see anyone disprove him. That says a lot.


Yes, it says that one cannot prove a negative ..... You cannot prove there are no unicorns, fairies, UFOs, or the gods of the Greek or Roman pantheons either.

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Do you believe the first law of thermodynamics? I'm sure you do. Why? Probably because it's never been proven wrong. It can't be proven right 100%, yet you believe.


You are very confused, since the "never been proven wrong" process proves the theory (another name for a scientific law) is more correct by trying to disprove it.

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So, can anyone prove that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist?


The Bible contradicts itself so which version is correct?

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... tions.html

http://www.islamway.com/english/images/ ... ctions.htm

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/co ... tions.html

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If it's all such hogwash and so unbelievable as the truth, surely it isn't hard. Much easier than say...proving that evolution is the truth.


See above ... then ask whether the canons were completely correct in their choices ....

http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

The term "canon" is used to describe the books that are divinely inspired and therefore belong in the Bible. The difficult aspect of determining the Biblical canon is that the Bible does not give us a list of the books that belong in the Bible. Determining the canon was a process, first by Jewish rabbis and scholars, and then later by early Christians. Ultimately, it was God who decided what books belonged in the Biblical canon. A book of Scripture belonged in the canon from the moment God inspired its writing. It was simply a matter of God convincing His human followers which books should be included in the Bible.

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Archer wrote:
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How can you prove your faith is correct when someone else's faith is in opposition and they believe just as strongly as you do? That is why the only things that should be taught as facts are those which can be proven without the reliance on pure faith.


WORKS FOR ME! Now, I guess we better get evolution out!


It does? Then my faith that evolution is correct trumps your faith that everything was created as described in the Bible. Remove all such references now. You see, it works just as well in both directions if faith is all that is required.

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