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If you look at the BBC report you will see 8 shot were reported, it's no big deal.

No you are innocent until proved guilty, suspicion is not guilt.

Some links you might like to read.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/0,,1691452,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 73,00.html

So being shot at 9 times is or is not different from being shot in the head 9 times? You have stated it both ways now.



You have yet to prove that. The report does not indicate proof one way or another, but does quote a relative making that claim.



Yes, because there are people out there blowing up people and trying to kill them with poison and if they do not stop them they are held accountable ....

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This does indicate the officers who shot him believed him to be a threat, which could not have been easily disproved unless he made no threatening actions. According to the report there is independent support for the officer's belief the actions were dangerous given their knowledge at the time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story ... 29,00.html

"All the available evidence suggests that they believed that Jean Charles had been identified as a suicide bomber, that they had been directed to stop him from blowing up the train and that they had to shoot him to prevent that from happening."

In its letter the CPS gives the most graphic details to date of the last moments inside the tube carriage before de Menezes was shot: "Both [firearms officers] refer to Jean Charles getting up and advancing towards them with his hands down by his side before he was tackled by a surveillance officer and forced back into the seat. The firearms officers then shot Jean Charles. I had to consider whether the prosecution could argue that the restraint meant that no bomb could be detonated and that the firearms officers' actions were unlawful.

"However I must bear in mind that this happened in a matter of seconds and there is some independent evidence that supports the officers' accounts that they feared Jean Charles might detonate a bomb. A witness sitting opposite Jean Charles said: 'I got the impression that he was reaching to the left-hand side of his trouser waistband.'"

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Not 8 shots to the head, but I suppose when you are proved wrong yet again it is not a big deal if you can try to ignore it ....



You are considered to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but you are not innocent unless you never committed a crime. That the courts and only the courts are held to that criteria is evident in the ability to arrest on the charge of suspicion, which is predicated on the assumption of guilt by the police based on the evidence they have.

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No but suspicion will get you held until they can be sure, and when talking terrorism that is very important.

It's one thing to let the drug dealer go a little farther to make sure you have all the proof you need. But if you use that same logic with a possible terrorist, hundreds or even thousands of people may die. Here you need to err on the safe side.

Was the man from Brazil innocent. He very well may have been. But his actions that day raised suspicion, and in light of the events from the previous day, the police could not take a chance.

Terrorism works when their acts of terrorism worry people. The people then ask for more protection, which can lead to innocent people being hurt or killed, and more stringent laws being passed. It's at times like this, that people like you proclaim the government is wrong, which helps to weaken the citizens faith it their government and causes them to question actions that are taken, which weakens the government even more.

Terrorism won't sweep into the UK the way the German army tried. Their goal is to take down the western culture from within. We don't need to give up all our rights to stay safe, but the constant complaints from some about the way the war on terror is being fought only strengthens the other side. They pay close attention to all those that complain about our elected officials, and police. This evening I watched some of an interview with the Pres of Iran. He is fully aware of Pres Bush's approval ratings, and I'm sure sees this as a sign he has a chance to get his nuke.

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