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The Denver Post ran a picture on page 1 of a mother with child and husband looking on as their baby food was confiscated, another of an elderly man having to throw away his shaving cream. The ACLU is guilty of aiding, abetting, and encouraging illegals a separate felony for each illegal. Felons can not be attorneys. The PC garbage of not criminally profiling is insane and a burden on all non-terrorist/suicidal types. Moslems and anyone who looks like a moslem, a nervous, twitchy person, a shifty eyed person--they should not be allowed to fly. When you treat everyone like a criminal instead of just those most likely---the terrorists win. England let in those Pakistani moslems. Why a country so great, that fought in the Crusades, stood fast against Nazi bombing, would allow in obvious enemies, and destruction of a very old English culture is attributable only to those against the host country--actually traitors. The same here. Traitors from both parties, and international corporations. Too much PC human diversity ruins a country. Multi-culturalism sucks and so does globalism. We'll be ready for that Star Trek fantasy when we are more homogeneous as a species, not diverse. 8) You are a sick liberal puke x. There were no sand chiggers flying Spitfires in the Battle of Britain. Mother England is infected with cancer and so is the US--but we will beat it. You are part of the cancer destroying a once great country.

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The Denver Post ran a picture on page 1 of a mother with child and husband looking on as their baby food was confiscated, another of an elderly man having to throw away his shaving cream. The ACLU is guilty of aiding, abetting, and encouraging illegals a separate felony for each illegal. Felons can not be attorneys. The PC garbage of not criminally profiling is insane and a burden on all non-terrorist/suicidal types. Moslems and anyone who looks like a moslem, a nervous, twitchy person, a shifty eyed person--they should not be allowed to fly. When you treat everyone like a criminal instead of just those most likely---the terrorists win. England let in those Pakistani moslems. Why a country so great, that fought in the Crusades, stood fast against Nazi bombing, would allow in obvious enemies, and destruction of a very old English culture is attributable only to those against the host country--actually traitors. The same here. Traitors from both parties, and international corporations. Too much PC human diversity ruins a country. Multi-culturalism sucks and so does globalism. We'll be ready for that Star Trek fantasy when we are more homogeneous as a species, not diverse. 8)


Those Muslims were born in this country and are British citizens. You have some sick views.


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Anti-terrorist police shot a man today during a dawn raid on a suspected chemical bomb factory in East London today.

The 23-year-old was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as armed officers descended on a family terraced house in east London in the early hours

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 22,00.html



If guilty then it looks like some good police work. It seems he was only shot in the shoulder so he should be fine by the time his trial starts.

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One friend said: "If you were making a bomb factory would you do it in the same house as your mother?. He was not armed. He’s not a terrorist. He is an innocent man and he didn’t deserve to get shot.


Making a bomb in the same house where his mother lives. I'm sure he wouldn't be doing that. I mean it's not like he was hiding rockets or bombs in a church, or a hospital, or a school, or someone's home. Only terrorists do things like that. Oh wait, he's being charged with terrorism.



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After the September 11 attacks the older brother started taking his religion more seriously, grew a beard and started praying five times a day, he said.

"When we were younger he was no angel. But he changed, we all just grew up. He chose to go on the right path. He prayed five times a day, he went to the gym every day and other than that he stayed at home.


Would that be the right path, or the path that leads one to want to kill all those that do not believe as they do. It is nice to see he wasn't out roaming the streets, but stayed home a lot. Gee I wonder what he was doing there all that time. Oh that's right they are accused of building a chemical bomb in their home.


Many in Britain's Muslim community are deeply distrustful of the police following high-profile blunders in the past, including the killing of a man mistaken for a suicide bomber and the shooting of another man in a raid that resulted in no charges.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/ ... TE=DEFAULT

They were innocent.


Who was innocent? The ones in the "blunders"? When was their innocence known? After the fact? What were the curcumstances of the cases? You make many allegations but provide no information to support your final claims.

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And 5 people out of all them arrested in connection with the latest threat have been let out without charge.


And your link confirms one and gives the possibility of another so you have yet to provide support for your claim yet again. Given the glaring mistake you made in the amount of time they could be held, you must understand why we doubt just your word on the subject. :wink:

Police arrested 24 people across England on Thursday, saying they had thwarted a plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger planes flying between Britain and the United States. One suspect was released without charge, and a court will decide Monday on the detention of another. The suspect cannot be questioned in the interim.

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X-Black wrote:
hunter88 wrote:
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Anti-terrorist police shot a man today during a dawn raid on a suspected chemical bomb factory in East London today.

The 23-year-old was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as armed officers descended on a family terraced house in east London in the early hours

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 22,00.html



If guilty then it looks like some good police work. It seems he was only shot in the shoulder so he should be fine by the time his trial starts.

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One friend said: "If you were making a bomb factory would you do it in the same house as your mother?. He was not armed. He’s not a terrorist. He is an innocent man and he didn’t deserve to get shot.


Making a bomb in the same house where his mother lives. I'm sure he wouldn't be doing that. I mean it's not like he was hiding rockets or bombs in a church, or a hospital, or a school, or someone's home. Only terrorists do things like that. Oh wait, he's being charged with terrorism.



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After the September 11 attacks the older brother started taking his religion more seriously, grew a beard and started praying five times a day, he said.

"When we were younger he was no angel. But he changed, we all just grew up. He chose to go on the right path. He prayed five times a day, he went to the gym every day and other than that he stayed at home.


Would that be the right path, or the path that leads one to want to kill all those that do not believe as they do. It is nice to see he wasn't out roaming the streets, but stayed home a lot. Gee I wonder what he was doing there all that time. Oh that's right they are accused of building a chemical bomb in their home.


Many in Britain's Muslim community are deeply distrustful of the police following high-profile blunders in the past, including the killing of a man mistaken for a suicide bomber and the shooting of another man in a raid that resulted in no charges.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/ ... TE=DEFAULT

They were innocent.


Who was innocent? The ones in the "blunders"? When was their innocence known? After the fact? What were the curcumstances of the cases? You make many allegations but provide no information to support your final claims.

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And 5 people out of all them arrested in connection with the latest threat have been let out without charge.


And your link confirms one and gives the possibility of another so you have yet to provide support for your claim yet again. Given the glaring mistake you made in the amount of time they could be held, you must understand why we doubt just your word on the subject. :wink:

Police arrested 24 people across England on Thursday, saying they had thwarted a plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger planes flying between Britain and the United States. One suspect was released without charge, and a court will decide Monday on the detention of another. The suspect cannot be questioned in the interim.


You are an idiot. 5 have been released since the first arrests and in England you are innocent until proved guilty.

Seens such a short period to be arrested in such a serious case. What it boils down to is the police haven't got what they think and just grabbed for everyone who had a connection to these people. Panic arrests are not good enough.

If you insist on action like a div then do it on someone elses time.


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
X-Black wrote:
hunter88 wrote:
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Anti-terrorist police shot a man today during a dawn raid on a suspected chemical bomb factory in East London today.

The 23-year-old was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as armed officers descended on a family terraced house in east London in the early hours

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 22,00.html



If guilty then it looks like some good police work. It seems he was only shot in the shoulder so he should be fine by the time his trial starts.

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One friend said: "If you were making a bomb factory would you do it in the same house as your mother?. He was not armed. He’s not a terrorist. He is an innocent man and he didn’t deserve to get shot.


Making a bomb in the same house where his mother lives. I'm sure he wouldn't be doing that. I mean it's not like he was hiding rockets or bombs in a church, or a hospital, or a school, or someone's home. Only terrorists do things like that. Oh wait, he's being charged with terrorism.



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After the September 11 attacks the older brother started taking his religion more seriously, grew a beard and started praying five times a day, he said.

"When we were younger he was no angel. But he changed, we all just grew up. He chose to go on the right path. He prayed five times a day, he went to the gym every day and other than that he stayed at home.


Would that be the right path, or the path that leads one to want to kill all those that do not believe as they do. It is nice to see he wasn't out roaming the streets, but stayed home a lot. Gee I wonder what he was doing there all that time. Oh that's right they are accused of building a chemical bomb in their home.


Many in Britain's Muslim community are deeply distrustful of the police following high-profile blunders in the past, including the killing of a man mistaken for a suicide bomber and the shooting of another man in a raid that resulted in no charges.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/ ... TE=DEFAULT

They were innocent.


Who was innocent? The ones in the "blunders"? When was their innocence known? After the fact? What were the curcumstances of the cases? You make many allegations but provide no information to support your final claims.

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And 5 people out of all them arrested in connection with the latest threat have been let out without charge.


And your link confirms one and gives the possibility of another so you have yet to provide support for your claim yet again. Given the glaring mistake you made in the amount of time they could be held, you must understand why we doubt just your word on the subject. :wink:

Police arrested 24 people across England on Thursday, saying they had thwarted a plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger planes flying between Britain and the United States. One suspect was released without charge, and a court will decide Monday on the detention of another. The suspect cannot be questioned in the interim.


You are an idiot. 5 have been released since the first arrests and in England you are innocent until proved guilty.

Seems such a short period to be arrested in such a serious case. What it boils down to is the police haven't got what they think and just grabbed for everyone who had a connection to these people. Panic arrests are not good enough.

If you insist on action like a div then do it on someone elses time.

Oh and if you read what I quoted hunter you will noticed we was also talking about the suspected chemical bombers who were shot then released :roll:


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I think you had better give some references to your claims as this is beginning to sound like a 'jug' explanation to me. Give the particulars of the cases and we will see how well your interpretation matches reality.


A decision was made to move suddenly following months of surveillance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/sto ... 40,00.html



Yes, the decision was made to act rather suddenly but then the timeline for the actual attack was coming to an end as well. Maybe they could have waited a while to see if this was a test run or an actual attack and their information was not completely accurate. That would have really been a mistake, IMO.

So if they waited a week or so to act, would there have been 10 or so fewer airliners in the world? :roll:

The plans could have been carried out in the next two days, a White House spokesman said today. He added that Tony Blair and George Bush had discussed the plot on Sunday and Wednesday.


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The UK security forces have had these people under investigation for months just like all the others that they have arrested over the years. When the security forces are making mistakes arresting and shooting innocent people then it has everything to do with this!


I think you had better give some references to your claims as this is beginning to sound like a 'jug' explanation to me. Give the particulars of the cases and we will see how well your interpretation matches reality.


So as you can see the links were provided to show the police had these people under close servailence and have for months, the security forces knew all about the plot and the only thing that change was a phone call from Pakistan after the arrest - not connected - of a British Muslim who's brothers are part of this investigation.

It was this call from Pakistan that urged the attack to go ahead after the arrests of one of the main players in Pakistan, obviously hoping they could go ahead with the attack before it was uncovered and not knowing the police in the UK knew all about it.


So that urging to undertake the attack before it was uncovered would not have caused the attack plan to be changed before the police knew of the time table? I would think that would be sufficient reason to act, but you have some unusual ideas on what the police should do to protect the public.

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If it is a link to the innocent Muslim man who was shot you want then see below. I am sure we all have read the news about the Brazilian man who was shot in the tube, 9 times in the head while he was held down by the way.

http://feeds.thelondonnews.net/?rid=1e0 ... 33ee08&f=1


The mention was 7 times and he was the one running from the police if memory serves. If there is such information from an inquiry, it would be good to have referenced the report of that inquiry to support your claims. We still are only hearing your incorrect versions of events.

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The reference to the electronic timing device came out of the USA homeland security spokes person and a couple of news papers quoted him.


Including the BBC, correct? Did the British not give interviews to the BBC?

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On British TV was an hour news update with a home office spokesperson and security adviser interviewed. They main concern in this development was the fact they didn't plan to use electronic devices to detonate the bombs. Instead they planned to smuggle chemicals inboard in plastic pop bottles and mix the cocktail inboard. We shall see in the coming weeks what was planned. At the moment the news is not very interested in the latest events and public opinion in the UK is of distrust of the situation.


That matches my distrust of the information you relate without support given the number of significant errors in your statements.

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The police didn't need to go in at this point and I would have thought it better to tighten the ring around them and wait for them to move.


You can make that determination with no more information than you have compared to the information they had? We call that "Monday morning quarterbacking" where you make retroactive decisions based on later information.

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As for the "jug" explanation well you haven't the full facts on that either.


So you claim, but do not support said claim with anything of more substance than repetition, which does not make it any more truthful.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
X-Black wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:
X-Black wrote:
Wayne Stollings wrote:

I think you had better give some references to your claims as this is beginning to sound like a 'jug' explanation to me. Give the particulars of the cases and we will see how well your interpretation matches reality.


A decision was made to move suddenly following months of surveillance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/sto ... 40,00.html



Yes, the decision was made to act rather suddenly but then the timeline for the actual attack was coming to an end as well. Maybe they could have waited a while to see if this was a test run or an actual attack and their information was not completely accurate. That would have really been a mistake, IMO.

So if they waited a week or so to act, would there have been 10 or so fewer airliners in the world? :roll:

The plans could have been carried out in the next two days, a White House spokesman said today. He added that Tony Blair and George Bush had discussed the plot on Sunday and Wednesday.


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The UK security forces have had these people under investigation for months just like all the others that they have arrested over the years. When the security forces are making mistakes arresting and shooting innocent people then it has everything to do with this!


I think you had better give some references to your claims as this is beginning to sound like a 'jug' explanation to me. Give the particulars of the cases and we will see how well your interpretation matches reality.


So as you can see the links were provided to show the police had these people under close servailence and have for months, the security forces knew all about the plot and the only thing that change was a phone call from Pakistan after the arrest - not connected - of a British Muslim who's brothers are part of this investigation.

It was this call from Pakistan that urged the attack to go ahead after the arrests of one of the main players in Pakistan, obviously hoping they could go ahead with the attack before it was uncovered and not knowing the police in the UK knew all about it.


So that urging to undertake the attack before it was uncovered would not have caused the attack plan to be changed before the police knew of the time table? I would think that would be sufficient reason to act, but you have some unusual ideas on what the police should do to protect the public.

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If it is a link to the innocent Muslim man who was shot you want then see below. I am sure we all have read the news about the Brazilian man who was shot in the tube, 9 times in the head while he was held down by the way.

http://feeds.thelondonnews.net/?rid=1e0 ... 33ee08&f=1


The mention was 7 times and he was the one running from the police if memory serves. If there is such information from an inquiry, it would be good to have referenced the report of that inquiry to support your claims. We still are only hearing your incorrect versions of events.

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The reference to the electronic timing device came out of the USA homeland security spokes person and a couple of news papers quoted him.


Including the BBC, correct? Did the British not give interviews to the BBC?

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On British TV was an hour news update with a home office spokesperson and security adviser interviewed. They main concern in this development was the fact they didn't plan to use electronic devices to detonate the bombs. Instead they planned to smuggle chemicals inboard in plastic pop bottles and mix the cocktail inboard. We shall see in the coming weeks what was planned. At the moment the news is not very interested in the latest events and public opinion in the UK is of distrust of the situation.


That matches my distrust of the information you relate without support given the number of significant errors in your statements.

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The police didn't need to go in at this point and I would have thought it better to tighten the ring around them and wait for them to move.


You can make that determination with no more information than you have compared to the information they had? We call that "Monday morning quarterbacking" where you make retroactive decisions based on later information.

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As for the "jug" explanation well you haven't the full facts on that either.


So you claim, but do not support said claim with anything of more substance than repetition, which does not make it any more truthful.


This is becoming a bore.

Get a life you talk out of your backside far too much. Go find the inquiry yourself he wasn't running and he was shot 9 time and f##k me what two 9mm bullets when it's in your face?


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Anti-terrorist police shot a man today during a dawn raid on a suspected chemical bomb factory in East London today.

The 23-year-old was hit by a bullet in the shoulder as armed officers descended on a family terraced house in east London in the early hours

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 22,00.html



If guilty then it looks like some good police work. It seems he was only shot in the shoulder so he should be fine by the time his trial starts.

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One friend said: "If you were making a bomb factory would you do it in the same house as your mother?. He was not armed. He’s not a terrorist. He is an innocent man and he didn’t deserve to get shot.


Making a bomb in the same house where his mother lives. I'm sure he wouldn't be doing that. I mean it's not like he was hiding rockets or bombs in a church, or a hospital, or a school, or someone's home. Only terrorists do things like that. Oh wait, he's being charged with terrorism.



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After the September 11 attacks the older brother started taking his religion more seriously, grew a beard and started praying five times a day, he said.

"When we were younger he was no angel. But he changed, we all just grew up. He chose to go on the right path. He prayed five times a day, he went to the gym every day and other than that he stayed at home.


Would that be the right path, or the path that leads one to want to kill all those that do not believe as they do. It is nice to see he wasn't out roaming the streets, but stayed home a lot. Gee I wonder what he was doing there all that time. Oh that's right they are accused of building a chemical bomb in their home.


Many in Britain's Muslim community are deeply distrustful of the police following high-profile blunders in the past, including the killing of a man mistaken for a suicide bomber and the shooting of another man in a raid that resulted in no charges.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/ ... TE=DEFAULT

They were innocent.


Who was innocent? The ones in the "blunders"? When was their innocence known? After the fact? What were the circumstances of the cases? You make many allegations but provide no information to support your final claims.

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And 5 people out of all them arrested in connection with the latest threat have been let out without charge.


And your link confirms one and gives the possibility of another so you have yet to provide support for your claim yet again. Given the glaring mistake you made in the amount of time they could be held, you must understand why we doubt just your word on the subject. :wink:

Police arrested 24 people across England on Thursday, saying they had thwarted a plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger planes flying between Britain and the United States. One suspect was released without charge, and a court will decide Monday on the detention of another. The suspect cannot be questioned in the interim.


You are an idiot. 5 have been released since the first arrests and in England you are innocent until proved guilty.

Seens such a short period to be arrested in such a serious case. What it boils down to is the police haven't got what they think and just grabbed for everyone who had a connection to these people. Panic arrests are not good enough.

If you insist on action like a div then do it on someone elses time.


I am an 'idiot' because you cannot provide support for your claims? The application of "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to being arrested but only the court trial or there would be no arrests.

Which of the other 3 ARRESTED were released?

Why would the police not pick up everyone connected to the people known to be involved with the plot? They are contained until the probability of their innocence or guilt can be determined. If they release a member of the conspiracy they may have trouble arresting them again but if they get a relatively innocent person they can always release them. Do you propose all police have some type of psychic to determine who to arrest or what?

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Since you link the BBC so much

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4159310.stm


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No the man from Brazil didn't run from the police nor did he have a large bubble jacket on he was also shot 9 times in the head after he was "arrested" and restrained.


So the BBC doen't know what it's talking about?

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On Friday morning, Mr Menezes had left his flat in Tulse Hill and boarded a bus towards Stockwell Tube station.

He had been followed by police, who had his block of flats under surveillance.

When he was challenged by police in the Tube station, he fled, reportedly leaping the ticket barrier.

Over the past year there have been an increased number of immigration checks at Tube stations - a policy widely reported in Brazilian papers in London.

Police chased him on to a Tube train where he was shot dead.


I have also seen articles that tend to back up what you've said, though sometimes facts like how many shots or other things are not consistent. So I tend to go with the BBC's story.

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I am an 'idiot' because you cannot provide support for your claims? The application of "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to being arrested but only the court trial or there would be no arrests.

Which of the other 3 ARRESTED were released?

Why would the police not pick up everyone connected to the people known to be involved with the plot? They are contained until the probability of their innocence or guilt can be determined. If they release a member of the conspiracy they may have trouble arresting them again but if they get a relatively innocent person they can always release them. Do you propose all police have some type of psychic to determine who to arrest or what?


Yes you are an idiot and in our country you are innocent until proved guilty.

If you want to make yourself look like a prick all the time and have me keep pulling links out for you then go find another toy to play with. It's common knowledge that 5 have been released since the beginning of this just because I don't link doesn't mean it hasn't happened.


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This is becoming a bore.

Get a life you talk out of your backside far too much. Go find the inquiry yourself he wasn't running and he was shot 9 time and f##k me what two 9mm bullets when it's in your face?


It is becoming a bore and it is you who are becoming boring. From your link in the prior post. I cannot believe anything you say is truthful because of the number of errors you present as "fact" and even claim they are factual when your own references dispute your claim.

Unless you can provide some support of your claim concerning the inquiry I must assume it too is a fabrication of your wishful thinking.

http://feeds.thelondonnews.net/?rid=1e0 ... 33ee08&f=1

Police Commissioner Ian Blair has come under heavy criticism because of this and other missteps since four suicide bombers in London's transit system killed 52 people in July. Shortly after those bombs went off, the police mistook a Brazilian electrician, Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, for a terrorist on the subway and shot him seven times in the head.

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Your latest BBC link looks almost like a compromise between their earlier article and some of the other articles I've read. I have a feeling the truth is probably somewhere in the middle too, but then isn't this whole issue in part what terrorists want. Striking fear in innocent people.

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I am an 'idiot' because you cannot provide support for your claims? The application of "innocent until proven guilty" does not apply to being arrested but only the court trial or there would be no arrests.

Which of the other 3 ARRESTED were released?

Why would the police not pick up everyone connected to the people known to be involved with the plot? They are contained until the probability of their innocence or guilt can be determined. If they release a member of the conspiracy they may have trouble arresting them again but if they get a relatively innocent person they can always release them. Do you propose all police have some type of psychic to determine who to arrest or what?


Yes you are an idiot and in our country you are innocent until proved guilty.


In the courts, not in the police station. :wink:

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If you want to make yourself look like a prick all the time and have me keep pulling links out for you then go find another toy to play with. It's common knowledge that 5 have been released since the beginning of this just because I don't link doesn't mean it hasn't happened.


Just as it is common knowledge there were 9 shots instead of 7 and the prisoners could be held for 3 months instead the 28 days .... :roll:

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No the man from Brazil didn't run from the police nor did he have a large bubble jacket on he was also shot 9 times in the head after he was "arrested" and restrained.


So the BBC doen't know what it's talking about?

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On Friday morning, Mr Menezes had left his flat in Tulse Hill and boarded a bus towards Stockwell Tube station.

He had been followed by police, who had his block of flats under surveillance.

When he was challenged by police in the Tube station, he fled, reportedly leaping the ticket barrier.

Over the past year there have been an increased number of immigration checks at Tube stations - a policy widely reported in Brazilian papers in London.

Police chased him on to a Tube train where he was shot dead.


I have also seen articles that tend to back up what you've said, though sometimes facts like how many shots or other things are not consistent. So I tend to go with the BBC's story.


The number of shots fired were 9, it's how many of them hit him that's confused when reporting. I will post the final report when I can be bothered.

At the end of the day he shouldn't have been shot. It was bundled by the special forces from the begining.

What we have here is SAS trigger happy freaks shooting people because they are not held accountable.


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