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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:32 pm 
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Today I got acquainted with the information about the project “Biosphere-2”. Does anyone know which book I can read about this project?


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I do not know of any books on the project but here are some links. The company for which I worked at the time provided some of the lab equipment for monitoring the air quality for the initial start up of the project. If my memory serves the O2 levels dropped and the first round had to be stopped for safety and the second round did not last as long as the first.

https://tucson.com/news/science/years-a ... 7fb94.html

https://dartmouthalumnimagazine.com/art ... y-happened

https://www.ted.com/talks/jane_poynter_ ... anguage=en

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Thank you, Wayne. It is very interesting.


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What is the weather like today? When it will be warm? Today I am very cold.

What insulation materials do you prefer to use?

I read one article about Biosphere 2, and there was written about the behavior of trees, that they became brittle without wind. What do you think, is it true?


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What is the weather like today? When it will be warm? Today I am very cold.



Today it has jumped up in temperature. Near 60 F with some rain.

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What insulation materials do you prefer to use?


The house my son is building is all spray foam insulation. In the crawl space, walls, and ceiling. The floor is not heavily insulated because the crawl space foundation is.

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I read one article about Biosphere 2, and there was written about the behavior of trees, that they became brittle without wind. What do you think, is it true?


I do not know. I do not remember anything on that, but there are many other places where trees are grown without wind. Many of the shopping malls have trees indoors as do many museums and arboretums like this one in San Diego. I really loved visiting this one.

https://www.balboapark.org/gardens/botanical-building

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
... Near 60 F with some rain.

Today it was -21 C (-5,8F).

I think, what are the temperatures elsewhere in my latitude? Does anyone live in Canada on this forum?

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The house my son is building is all spray foam insulation. In the crawl space, walls, and ceiling ...

I’m afraid to use polymer insulators, because some people say that it can be home to insects and small animals, such as mice. I did not see it myself. But in the house of the grandfather there lived bees in fiberglass wool.

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... there are many other places where trees are grown without wind. Many of the shopping malls have trees indoors as do many museums and arboretums ...

I think the same. Some people write some information, this is the Internet.


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... Near 60 F with some rain.

Today it was -21 C (-5,8F).

I think, what are the temperatures elsewhere in my latitude? Does anyone live in Canada on this forum?


We used to have some Canadians but not so many now.

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The house my son is building is all spray foam insulation. In the crawl space, walls, and ceiling ...

I’m afraid to use polymer insulators, because some people say that it can be home to insects and small animals, such as mice. I did not see it myself. But in the house of the grandfather there lived bees in fiberglass wool.


My great-uncle had a problem with bumble bees living in the wall of his house, which was built in the early 1900s and had very little insulation at all.

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... there are many other places where trees are grown without wind. Many of the shopping malls have trees indoors as do many museums and arboretums ...

I think the same. Some people write some information, this is the Internet.


Yes, and there are also flawed interpretations of information too. Like the "study" that linked vaccines to autism.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
Yes, and there are also flawed interpretations of information too. Like the "study" that linked vaccines to autism.

On 2018, a new film about cerebral palsy was shown, which was called “Временные трудности”, which I can translate as “Temporary difficulties”. My doctor said it was total obscurantism. And similar things come out regularly.


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Yes, and there are also flawed interpretations of information too. Like the "study" that linked vaccines to autism.

On 2018, a new film about cerebral palsy was shown, which was called “Временные трудности”, which I can translate as “Temporary difficulties”. My doctor said it was total obscurantism. And similar things come out regularly.


Medical studies are especially difficult because the variations between people are so different.

For example a regular use for oral Benedryl here is for allergies. One of the common side effects is drowsiness, but some have the opposite effect of hyperactivity as a side effect. The random inclusion of different people in a study can and will skew the results just because of this variation in biology. Genetics will be a big boon in some ways, but there are so possible side effects to genetic information being used incorrectly too.

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Wayne Stollings wrote:
... Genetics will be a big boon in some ways, but there are so possible side effects to genetic information being used incorrectly too.

I saw the film “Idiocracy,” and some of the ideas from it impressed me. For example, a policy of soft eugenics may work better than all our research. Maybe I use this word - “eugenics” - wrong. Perhaps "family planning" would be better.

I read several books on philosophy and realized that the problems of a thousand years ago are still not resolved. And I think that they can not be resolved. Some people believe in technology, others return to animals. Where is the golden mean?


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... Genetics will be a big boon in some ways, but there are so possible side effects to genetic information being used incorrectly too.

I saw the film “Idiocracy,” and some of the ideas from it impressed me.


We have been joking here that our current government was based on "Idiocracy" and not in a good way.

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For example, a policy of soft eugenics may work better than all our research. Maybe I use this word - “eugenics” - wrong. Perhaps "family planning" would be better.


The problem is that ethics never keep pace with technology. Case in point the recent information on the Chinese genetic researcher. Even within the the lifetime of some of us, the Japanese and German governments during WWII performed unethical research programs.


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I read several books on philosophy and realized that the problems of a thousand years ago are still not resolved. And I think that they can not be resolved. Some people believe in technology, others return to animals. Where is the golden mean?


Yes, human nature is hard to overcome. Religions and governments have tried in their various ways and only some of the needed changes have been implemented over the centuries.

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We have been joking here that our current government was based on "Idiocracy" and not in a good way.

We also have a lot of Camacho. I did not vote and do not believe in our elections. I am afraid that at one fine moment terrible people may come to power. I fear twice, because a lot of horrible people live nearby.

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Yes, human nature is hard to overcome ...

January 4, 2019:
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They make dumps near their homes. And this is not the fault of politics or religion, it is the people themselves.


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Wayne Stollings wrote:
We have been joking here that our current government was based on "Idiocracy" and not in a good way.

We also have a lot of Camacho. I did not vote and do not believe in our elections. I am afraid that at one fine moment terrible people may come to power. I fear twice, because a lot of horrible people live nearby.


I do vote, but they keep trying to make it harder to do so and it is because there are a lot of horrible people and those who allow them power here as well

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Yes, human nature is hard to overcome ...

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They make dumps near their homes. And this is not the fault of politics or religion, it is the people themselves.


No but politics and religion both have tried to correct that problem and others and failed. Too many want short term solutions and ignore the long term problems associated with them. Like it is easy to dump trash nearby but ignore the longer term impacts of that trash.

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No but politics and religion both have tried to correct that problem and others and failed ...

I think that politicians are the apotheosis of the “struggle for existence”. They are the hardest carriers of this idea. And they, as a rule, have large families with a large number of children. For example, your current president has been married three times and has five children. Many people from below think that many children will have a better chance of survival. Or they do not think, but they do it like animals. Can a disease be a cure for itself? I think no. That is why politics usually does not solve local problems, which subsequently become global problems.

Religions are different, Christians have an idea: “God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." This is a principle that I showed earlier, but written as a holy word on paper. It works when few people lived on Earth. Today it is the main cause of overpopulation, resource shortages and war. Maybe I'm wrong.

Do you think a new religion or philosophy can change the “expansion” strategy to “balancing”?


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No but politics and religion both have tried to correct that problem and others and failed ...

I think that politicians are the apotheosis of the “struggle for existence”. They are the hardest carriers of this idea. And they, as a rule, have large families with a large number of children. For example, your current president has been married three times and has five children. Many people from below think that many children will have a better chance of survival. Or they do not think, but they do it like animals. Can a disease be a cure for itself? I think no. That is why politics usually does not solve local problems, which subsequently become global problems.

Religions are different, Christians have an idea: “God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." This is a principle that I showed earlier, but written as a holy word on paper. It works when few people lived on Earth. Today it is the main cause of overpopulation, resource shortages and war. Maybe I'm wrong.

Do you think a new religion or philosophy can change the “expansion” strategy to “balancing”?


I doubt that much of anything will change humanity very quickly. The more intelligent and educated seem to have lower reproduction rates than that of the under educated thus moving toward the prospect of the lowering of the cumulative IQ as presented in "Idiocracy" That seems to point to a fatal error in the long term.

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