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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:58 am 
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You know I had another thought. Our basic farm animals are not made for sudden extreme climate changes on a daily basis. You did say the the nights are extremely cold and the days are quite warm, right? That is an issue.


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That is also an issue for crops.


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Yeah: it's something that can't be overlooked.

The easy way is to simply provide the critters shelter at night. However, if one plans on letting them graze/browse 'open-range' that might complicate things.

Would it be possible to combine features from these two general concepts?
'Open-range' could consist of a trail; with barns/shelter at the end of each days march.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:15 am 
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yeah, the crops are a head-scratcher too!

You have to combine features that keep the plants cool enough during the day, followed by being warm-enough during the night. Let me run this thru my head a bit!


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Iowanic wrote:
Yeah: it's something that can't be overlooked.

The easy way is to simply provide the critters shelter at night. However, if one plans on letting them graze/browse 'open-range' that might complicate things.

Would it be possible to combine features from these two general concepts?
'Open-range' could consist of a trail; with barns/shelter at the end of each days march.


The problem is in the winter here our animal get new coats of fur to help to keep them warm and loose those coat in the warmer weather. With constant temperature fluctuations they are unable to help regulate their own body temperatures. This will make them prone to illness or death due to exposure. The trail concept won't really work because you have to consider growing populations of people and animals.


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Iowanic wrote:
yeah, the crops are a head-scratcher too!

You have to combine features that keep the plants cool enough during the day, followed by being warm-enough during the night. Let me run this thru my head a bit!


You cannot greenhouse all of your crops. It just wouldn't be feasable because of the same reason....population growth.


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Sorry!!!


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That's a interesting point about the critter fur. A couple thoughts:(Just throwing these out for comment)

We'd have to look at critters who do endure big temp. swings. A couple that come to mind are (weird or silly as it may seem) camels and to a lesser extent, reindeer. I'm pretty sure camels could deal with things, I don't know how hot of temps reindeer can put up with.

I'm fighting for someway to make my open-range trail work, lol!


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Iowanic wrote:
That's a interesting point about the critter fur. A couple thoughts:(Just throwing these out for comment)

We'd have to look at critters who do endure big temp. swings. A couple that come to mind are (weird or silly as it may seem) camels and to a lesser extent, reindeer. I'm pretty sure camels could deal with things, I don't know how hot of temps reindeer can put up with.

I'm fighting for someway to make my open-range trail work, lol!


You will still have the same issue of sudden, frequent extreme temperatue changes. Camels and reindeer also grow winter coats and shed them for warmer temperatures. I don't think that we currently have any animals that undergo such drastic temp changes in such short amount of times. I maybe wrong about that but I can't think of any.

The other thing that occured to me is about the grazing pastures. Would the temperature changes effect those as well?? You would pretty much have to be providing most of the food for your livestock if we actually can figure out what they might be. I will think about it some more.


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Well, deserts often have large temprature swings, so desert creatures have a chance. The problem being there aren't a lot of desert animals who make good farm-animals!

The native pasture will be consumable for earth-critters, so that aspect is taken care of.

But getting this open-range trail idea to work.....well. Herds of dozens of animals can be sheltered. Herds of thousands? I have serious doubts. Now, those thousands can be devided into many heards of dozens, but that's a lot of herd-persons and herd-dogs to keep track of things. It'd also be all too easy to over-graze the pasture.


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What about the rainfall in this planet?? If it rains at night would it then snow?? Or how about storms....what kind of storms, tornados, hurricanes, winds?? This would also be a consideration, would it not?? Does the planet have seasons of some sort, certain times of year where the temps would even get more extreme, colder or hotter?? You know, certain times a year where all the plants die back and only return certain times a year??


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Rainfall: Yes and as on earth, the amount varies on where you are. Where most of the agriculture takes place; rainfall is around 20 inches a earth year. (About the same as Utah)

If it rains at night, I'd expect either snow, sleet or freezing rain. Definately 'stay-inside' weather.

There are storms. occassionly violent. One regular feature during the hotter part of the year is something the colonists take to calling the 'twilight-winds'. The native inhabitants have their own word which translates as 'night-breath'.

What happens is the dayside heats up, causing air to rise. The air is much cooler on the nightside and this sets off convection: as the daytime hotsir rises, the nighttime air rushes in to take it's place. The result is a steady 30 to 40 mile per hour(Sometimes faster) wind that comes out of the east; starting a few hours before twilight and lasting to a few hours afterwards.

Ah....the seasons. Yeah, there's seasons and they get kinda rough, too. Winters, depending on location, can be brutal. The dead of winter is one thing:cold.

The worst part is the year is longer there and that coumpounds the problems even more. (Good planning on my part, eh?) By the end of summer, it's been hot long enough for there to be danger of brushfires. In winter, the polar seas freeze over for a considerable way equator-ward, allowing critters who live in the polar regions to come by for a visit.


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Question:

Which is the most effective way to raise rabbits? (Assuming we're looking for meat-production). Cage or more of a open pasture approuch?

I'm guessing pasture is more 'green' but I have a hard time seeing bunnies running herd. Cages repersent more controlled conditions and perhaps easier predator protection but bunnies locked up instead of hopping thru the fields doesn't appeal to me, somehow.

What's the word, bunny-farmers?


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Ok, I did a little looking-into and it seems cages are the perferred method.

I dunno. Can't rabbit be used as weed control in fallow fields?

Just wondering. :-k


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Don't make me call PETA and tell them where your new planet is. :wink: :mrgreen:


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