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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:57 pm 
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I dunno....I'm having a hard time picturing a civilization advanced enough to go to another planet in 11 weeks....but not having the capability to figure out another way to colonize this new world other than launching an interstellar ark filled with cows and goats and bales of hay....


Yeah, being that advanced you'd think they could just take some DNA and clone 'em.

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Iowanic wrote:
For the main colony ship, 11 weeks.


What type of FTL propulsion do you propose to use? You do know that would be very very very very fast? The exponential light speed warp drive proposed by Gene Roddenberry in the original Star Trek would have only allowed the Enterprise to travel from Sol to the Federation border in that five year mission IF they travelled at maximum warp (9 I believe) the whole time..... we did the calculations in Intro to Engineering my freshman year of college so I may not remember the exact figures correctly.

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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:00 pm 
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RF wrote:
I dunno....I'm having a hard time picturing a civilization advanced enough to go to another planet in 11 weeks....but not having the capability to figure out another way to colonize this new world other than launching an interstellar ark filled with cows and goats and bales of hay....


Yeah, being that advanced you'd think they could just take some DNA and clone 'em.


I would think that at least they could cryro' them and stack them below decks like so much cordwood.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:01 pm 
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My motivation to start this story was the movie 'When worlds collide'. In it basically, a few individuals are attempting a desperate try to reach another world, before the earth is turned into intersteller roadkill.

I change the basic premise: could the desire for a prestine world motavate mankind to take nearly any chances to reach it? And if not mankind, how about individuals willing to take the risk?

It's a crazy thing to do.

Which makes it seems all so human to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:06 pm 
Wayne just gave me a great idea.

Are tribbles edible?

Your problem with stocking the starcruiser (and the colony) is solved.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:13 pm 
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LOL!

Wayne; I first desired to use the old sci-fi standby of ionic-electric drive; it was tried in true(In scifi circles, anyway).

Lately I've been wondered about something that's been refered to as a 'mag-sail'. Robert Zubrin of mars direct fame has written at least one article about the concept.

Oh: my bad. :oops:
The distances involved are huge, but not quite in light-years. The setting is that the other solar-system is passing by our system at a range of around 7 billions miles. Long trip, but not in light-years.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:18 pm 
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Iowanic wrote:
LOL!

Wayne; I first desired to use the old sci-fi standby of ionic-electric drive; it was tried in true(In scifi circles, anyway).

Lately I've been wondered about something that's been refered to as a 'mag-sail'. Robert Zubrin of mars direct fame has written at least one article about the concept.

Oh: my bad. :oops:
The distances involved are huge, but not quite in light-years. The setting is that the other solar-system is passing by our system at a range of around 7 billions miles. Long trip, but not in light-years.


Just how far in the future would this be? The time it would take for another solar system to get within that range would be significant given the distances between us and the next nearest star.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:30 pm 
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My basic line-in the-sand tech wise, is 15 years, max. Basically, most of what goes on will involv tech we have around now, or will very shortly.

On the galloping ghost star......

Yeah, I hedged on that. I give a explaination it'd been shielded from visual sighting by a intersteller dust cloud(Which just happens to be undiscovered as well) from which it emerges a couple years before the colony efford gets under way. Of course, the gravity of said star would have effected the comets way out there for centuries.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:39 pm 
That's something like 3.8 million mph? Assuming a steady speed and not allowing for acceleration and deacceleration.

We got the capability of that within 15 years?


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Iowanic wrote:
My basic line-in the-sand tech wise, is 15 years, max. Basically, most of what goes on will involv tech we have around now, or will very shortly.

On the galloping ghost star......

Yeah, I hedged on that. I give a explaination it'd been shielded from visual sighting by a intersteller dust cloud(Which just happens to be undiscovered as well) from which it emerges a couple years before the colony efford gets under way. Of course, the gravity of said star would have effected the comets way out there for centuries.
Hey. No ones perfect!


You might want to rethink that a bit as the maximum distance from the Sun to Pluto is about 4 585 509 972 miles and that is not really the outer limit of our solar system. The scale of intersteller space is hard to imagine.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:47 pm 
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It'd take a step up in tech, clearly and a arguement can be made I'm picking and choosing which tech I desire to work just so.

Again, my point was; how badly do people want to get to this planet? People have a amazing ability to find ways to do things.
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And in any case, 11 weeks isn't written in stone. We could go with a small number of smaller ships, taking a longer time to get there. I don't think it'll be quite as exciting, though.


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So; pigs or ostriches? :)


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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:51 pm 
Yeah, another solar system effectively passing through ours is gonna have those would-be space explorerers worried about more than launching cattle in Warp drive.


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 Post subject: Re: Over-herd
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:54 pm 
Iowanic wrote:
And in any case, 11 weeks isn't written in stone. We could go with a small number of smaller ships, taking a longer time to get there. I don't think it'll be quite as exciting, though.


You could go with a big ship taking a long long long time to get there....to the point that the entire story IS the ship. Make it a monstrous huge ship. We often got the capability to go bigger when we can't go better. Witness the pyramids. Anyway, then the ecosystem runs however you, as author, would like.


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