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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:19 pm 
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Alright! Stop picking on my underwear!


I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole. And I really mean that. :lol:


:shock: Oh my.... I sure ain't touching that either. :-& Besides I think you need special suits for that and hazmat training. :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:04 pm 
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You know all this talk about the latest Mars landing made me think of something.

We have this thread on Jupiter, and it's warming up.

Then they talk about Mars warming up.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977

And of course we have our own global warming.

So I was wondering what all three of these have in common.

Iowanics undies? No.
SUVs? No
Coal fired power plants? No.
Al Gore? No.
Polar Bears on a chunk of ice? No.

The sun? Yes.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:31 pm 
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My undies are certainly getting a lot of milage. Which is the problem, I suspect.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:12 pm 
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You know all this talk about the latest Mars landing made me think of something.

We have this thread on Jupiter, and it's warming up.

Then they talk about Mars warming up.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977

And of course we have our own global warming.

So I was wondering what all three of these have in common.

Iowanics undies? No.
SUVs? No
Coal fired power plants? No.
Al Gore? No.
Polar Bears on a chunk of ice? No.

The sun? Yes.


Along with other things, yes. The fact is Jupiter is too far away from the sun to see any measurable increase in temperature unless the sun were to go nova ...... :- :-

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:07 pm 
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Jupiter's recent outbreak of red spots is likely related to large scale climate change as the gas giant planet is getting warmer near the equator.



Well I suppose their climate change and warmer temps could be caused by our SUVs, but I have my doubts on that one.

It is interesting that we just happen to have 3 planets in our solar system all experiencing a warming trend at the same time.

Would you say they are not connected in any way?

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:34 pm 
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Do any of you boffins know anything about gamma bursts from the sun ?


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:52 pm 
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The three planets, with their minimum distance from the sun and the temperature range. Notice Jupiter is about 4 to 5 times farther from the sun and is still a bit warmer than the coldest range of Mars, and Earth both .... not from solar warming.

Jupiter 460 million miles -101 F (cloud top)

Mars 128 million miles -200 F to 32 F

Earth 91 million miles -128 F to 136 F

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:07 pm 
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Jupiter's newest "blemish" used to be a white oval-shaped storm but turned brick red as its clouds rose and reacted to solar UV radiation. ..........

The advent of yet another red spot in Jupiter's turbulent atmosphere may support the idea that the planet is undergoing climate change. ...........
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... photo.html


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The three planets, with their minimum distance from the sun and the temperature range. Notice Jupiter is about 4 to 5 times farther from the sun and is still a bit warmer than the coldest range of Mars, and Earth both .... not from solar warming.


So having three planets warming up at the same time is a coincidence? They are not connected in any way?

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Another factor in all the planets and moons is gravitational changes. Tidal forces not only affect the fluid on the surface (ocean tides) but also the temperature of the molten core. We still do not understand nor are able to measure gravitational waves which change the actual size of everything (including measuring equipment) but is thought to account for a significant portion of the universe's background heat. We may be being bombarded with gravitational waves right now and not know it but may be heating up as a solar system because of it.


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The three planets, with their minimum distance from the sun and the temperature range. Notice Jupiter is about 4 to 5 times farther from the sun and is still a bit warmer than the coldest range of Mars, and Earth both .... not from solar warming.


So having three planets warming up at the same time is a coincidence? They are not connected in any way?


Possibly, or not. The picking of random similarities does not show cause and effect, as much as some would want to be able to say there is a known conncection.
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J; I haven't heard of gamma bursts from our sun. From outside the solar system, yes, but not from the local furnace. Gamma rays are preety powerful, I'd heard. Couldn't they plow all the way thru of atmosphere and do some damage down here? :(


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So having three planets warming up at the same time is a coincidence? They are not connected in any way?

Possibly, or not. The picking of random similarities does not show cause and effect, as much as some would want to be able to say there is a known conncection.
:- :-


Well I have my doubts that we'd be able to figure out a cause, but it is interesting that we have three planets all going through a climate change at the same time. And why is it you feel I want to be able to say there is a known connection? I'm just pointing out a fact. Can your theory on GW not withstand a fact that may or may not have anything to do with global warming.

Could they be connected? As you say maybe, maybe not.

That's all there is to it nothing more. But there is one thing we know for sure, our SUVs shouldn't have anything to do with their climate change. Now all that space junk we throw out there at them, might be another story.

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So having three planets warming up at the same time is a coincidence? They are not connected in any way?

Possibly, or not. The picking of random similarities does not show cause and effect, as much as some would want to be able to say there is a known conncection.
:- :-


Well I have my doubts that we'd be able to figure out a cause, but it is interesting that we have three planets all going through a climate change at the same time.


Why would that be interesting, other than general interest, that is?

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And why is it you feel I want to be able to say there is a known connection?


I don't know, maybe the number of your posts that try to make the case there is no human connection to the increase in temperature we are experiencing?

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I'm just pointing out a fact.


And some "interesting" implications?

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Can your theory on GW not withstand a fact that may or may not have anything to do with global warming.


Sure, but some seem to jump to really interesting conclusions not based on realistic science.

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Could they be connected? As you say maybe, maybe not.


Anything is possible, but a conncetion between the three is highly improbable.

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That's all there is to it nothing more. But there is one thing we know for sure, our SUVs shouldn't have anything to do with their climate change. Now all that space junk we throw out there at them, might be another story.


All of what space junk we throw at Jupiter or even Mars for that matter?

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:29 pm 
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Well, I have waited and I just can't believe that no one has mentioned that Saturn's, Netune's and Pluto's temps have also been rising. :-

So I guess you can say there is no correlation between 3 plants having rising temps but it would make sense to see if any others are having the same problem. But if Mars, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto are having a rise in temps, which they are :wink: , then hunters theory actually holds water, so to speak.


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