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You know, for all of your sanctimonious grandstanding about emotional well-being, your posts sure contain an awful amount of anger, hate, and vitriol. Anger, hate, and vitriol that seem well on their way to consuming you. As the old saying goes, "physician, heal thyself!"!

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Vegetarian: Old Native American word meaning really bad hunter.

My god, your vacuous, vitriolic, self-serving diatribes are tedious. For all of your obvious hatred towards the U.S. here are some facts to remember:

- the U.S. leads the world in charitable giving

- the U.S. leads the world in aid to other countries. The next time some disaster happens in your
country, you can bet relief will come in the form of American supplies and food, brought by
American ships and planes, and paid for by American taxpayers.

- from Naziism to Japanese Imperialism to Soviet expansionism to Islamic extremism, it has been
the U.S. who has fought some of the greatest evils in all of human history. Our men and
women have shed their blood time and time again so that others may be free. Even ingrates
and malcontents like you.

- the U.S. has some of the most stringent laws regarding pollution, clean water, emissions, etc. in
world. Nations like India are filthy by comparison.

Your rants are empty and self-serving sushil_yadav. They offer no real insight of any kind and amount to little more than anger and hate. What you are engaging in is hate-mongering and anti-Western bigotry masquerading as a lofty ethical principle. And it just doesn't wash.

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Vegetarian: Old Native American word meaning really bad hunter.

Just as I said.
No real ideas, just blathering. With a little hate thrown in now I see.

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Watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow

Here comes another wise one.

Better stick to your railways job. Environmental issues are beyond your grasp.

Increased lifespan has barely existed for about 50 - 100 years. Will you kindly make some calculations and let everyone know this is how much percentage of the total duration for which human society has existed on earth.

This is a fake lifespan. The pre-industrial lifespan was the real one because it sustained/ existed for thousands of years.

The human lifespan is going to become zero very soon - because humans are about to be wiped off from earth.

What about the lifespan of animals, trees, air, water and land?

Industrial Society has killed all ecosystems - it has killed animals, trees, air, water and land.

Humans are alive because of animals, trees, air, water and land - humans owe their very existence to animals, trees, air, water and land.

Human life is going to be extinguished very soon because humans have killed the very things that had kept them alive for thousands of years.


The Military-Industrial Complex is all set to destroy whatever life and environment that remains on earth. There is a reason why the two World Wars happened in the recent past and not 1000 years ago.

It was not possible to have world wars 1000 years ago. World Wars became possible only when Science and Technology developed aeroplanes, ships and other carriers which could transport millions of troops and millions of tonnes of weapons[once again a creation of science and technology] from one corner of the globe to another.

And today one does'nt even need all these to fight a war. One just needs to move finger-tips to launch missiles that can destroy the planet several times over.

Right at this moment there are several countries fighting wars with one another. There is internal war going on in almost half of the the countries of the world. All these wars are being fuelled and sustained by billions of tonnes of weapons produced by the Military-Industrial Complex every year.

And it is going to get worse and worse every day.

If you kill one person they call it murder.
If you kill a few hundred they call it terrorism.
If you kill a few million they call it war.

Science and Technology has made this world [millions of times] more violent and unsafe than before.

Science and Technology has produced billions of tonnes of weapons and explosives - chemical, biological and nuclear weapons - millions of tonnes of Radioactive material [ which will soon be used to make dirty radioactive bombs - which are going to contaminate the environment for hundreds and thousands of years]. Science and Technology is the real terrorist.

The human race has been destroying/ killing animals, trees, air, water, land and people from the very beginning of civilization. Science and Technology has increased this destructive capacity millions of times.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is using hundreds/ thousands of consumer goods.

Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]

The per capita killing of animals, trees, air, water and land in Industrial Society is hundreds of times/ thousands of times greater than that of pre-industrial society.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a serial killer - serial killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Those who produce consumer goods are killers.
Those who sell consumer goods are killers.
Those who buy consumer goods are killers.


Before Industrialization humans killed Environment primarily for Food, Clothing & Shelter. After industrialization humans are killing environment for Food, Clothing & Shelter plus [thousands of unnecessary]Consumer Goods.

Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things[Consumer Goods].

The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in War/ Violence. It has decimated all plant and animal species. It has destroyed all ecosystems. It has polluted and poisioned the Sky, Land and Oceans. It has raped and plundered "Mother Earth" in the name of Progress and Development.

People who are going for Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet which is just 40,000 km in circumference are insane, abnormal and criminal.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".



sushil_yadav
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"Better stick to your railways job. Environmental issues are beyond your grasp."

I'm happy to stick to my job. It pays well . And your condescending, arrogant attitude doesn't bolster your feeble tirades any. FYI, I'm educated in natural resource sciences, specifically wildlife biology and forestry. And your qualifications to opine on environmental issues are? If you'd like to discuss ecosystems, I'd be happy to do so. Which specific ecosystem would you like to talk about? If you're going to discuss ecosystems, then you need to talk about specific systems, what conservation issues they are facing, and possible PRAGMATIC, VIABLE solutions to those issues ( suggesting that humankind return to a caveman lifestyle is irrational and doesn't count ). My guess is, however, that you don't want to engage in rational, reasoned discussion about any ecosystems. You just want to engage in the intellectual masturbation of listening to yourself rant.


"Increased lifespan has barely existed for about 50 - 100 years. Will you kindly make some calculations and let everyone know this is how much percentage of the total duration for which human society has existed on earth."

Why? That is irrelevant. Increased lifespan is directly correlated to increased science and technology. Things like vaccines, medical testing and scanning to detect disease, etc. are all responsible for the increase in human lifespan. These are products of science and technology. Why do you deny the obvious facts?

"This is a fake lifespan."

WTF? There is no such thing as a "fake lifespan". Average human lifespan is verifiable, quantifiable, empirical, factual data. And the fact is, it has been steadily on the increase since the dawn of the technological age.


"The human lifespan is going to become zero very soon - because humans are about to be wiped off from earth."

Proof please?

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Vegetarian: Old Native American word meaning really bad hunter.

TechnoWorshipper,

The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 - 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Mind and Nature/ Environment. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.

Some people demand proof of everything. They won't accept anything without proof. How do people accept their father as their father? Where is the proof?
Scientific proof comes from DNA testing. How many people have got the DNA test conducted?

Two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.


sushil_yadav
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So, where along the evolutionary chain should we return to ?

Certainly, according to your beliefs before the Iron Age.

Perhaps back to the time when our ancestors were eating berries and leaves and had not invented weapons for hunting animals for food and clothing ?

See you still have and use that computer.

oh no dear, we should continue with the American philosophy :

consume, consume, consume ..... and destroy the ecosystems.

Continue with the Great American Dream which has turned into a Nightmare for the planet - 5% of world population consuming 40% of resources.

Wait! - there are some more American solutions.

Attack Iran.

Attack this country - Attack that country.

Attack a new country every day.


sushil_yadav
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Ah.....how's things with Pakistan?

And what happened to the threat of attacking Iran after the financial collapse?

If America makes 30,000 nuclear bombs - it is progress, growth and development.

If an asian/ islamic country tries to make even one nuclear bomb - it is terrorism.

Height of hypocricy, insanity and criminality.


sushil_yadav
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When India and Pakistan decide to stop threatening eack other with nukes, I think the whole world will be nearly as happy as when we finally get out of Iraq.

Guess we'll have to see which happens first, eh?