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Hunting is good for wild populations. When some animals are removed, new born animals have more space and food to be happy. It is OK as long as the species is not threatened. Under conditions of overpopulation and shortage of wild predators, hunting becomes vital for the very survival of herbivores. We have certain herbivorous species and even some predators, which benefit from lndscapes created by people and they even gravitate to new habitats created by people. Hunting helps to restore some balance and it provides a thrilling sport for many. Meat of game is clean, tasty and healthy to eat. Life is productive and harvesting in the wild is a part of natural sustainable way of life. Hunting is green. Urbanites, eating meats wrapped in plastic, forget where their food is coming from. Vegetarianism is not an answer. You need a digestive system of a cow, or elephant to become a herbivore.

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licenced hunting is a legitimate way to manage wildlife populations.

Here in Newfoundland, were it not for moose hunting, there would be far more human fatalities on the highways...


how is hunting 'terrorism'? terrorism is the use of fear and or violence to force changes in policy, law, or behaviour. How does this apply to hunting?


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It sounds like terrorism to urbanites who are out of touch with nature. Try to grow your own fruits and veggies, especially if you need some income, and you quickly realize that some population control near your crops is needed. We lost 50% of peaches and pears in our tiny garden. Squirrels ate them right near our house. Last winter I shot (legal hunting) 12 squirrels in area about 100 yards from the house. The hunting is over, but squirrels are chattering around. Whitetails are particularly numerous near our garden; only dogs help to keep them at bay. In fact, there are more cottontails, whitetails and squirrels near our house, then in forests away from us. Hunting is done every year, but their populations do not decline. We have not enough hunters on whitetails. I would not mind reintroduction of mountain lion and wolf in our state. We would hunt those as well, but they would help to keep herbivores in balance.

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Hiya Sevendogs, been a while... :D

Many folk who quote the small % of folk actively involved in hunting somehow manage to not mention:
1)the number of folk who don't hunt, but have no problem with others doing so. My lady friend is a classic example. She enjoys target shooting with firearms but has no interest in hunting. Note; she was a vegetarian for 10 years. She calls herself a 'recovering vegetarian.'
Some surveys of the genral population have approval ratings for hunting as high as 80%.

According to one source I found, americans consumed more then 750 million pounds of wild game annually; that would be on the order of 2 million cattle. Anyone seriously believe it's only hunters chowing down so?

I recall a survey, taken not that long back, concluded that about 4% of the population identified themselves as vegatarian/vegan, in the U.S. That compares very closely to the number who actively hunt. Interestin', eh?

In conclusion; perhaps Ante can tell us the difference between hunting by humans or hunting by animals;

If a human killing a animal is a act of terror; is a wolf tearing the guts out of a preganant deer, while said doe is still alive, any less a act of terror?
Feel up to explaining the difference, Ante?


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Aren't you interesting in hearing the answer, Mr. Yates? What is the difference, terror-wise, between a hunter's killing and wolves literally eatting their prey alive?


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Roger I'd like to quote some of the stuff you posted. But there are so many more sentences then 2 I wouldn't be able to do it justice without breaking forum rules like you just did.

I know the proper thing to do would be to report this to Josh so he can tell you to edit your post to conform to the rules. But it seems so much easier to just let you know and save Josh all that time.

Now on to turkey hunting. This is a good time of the year for that since turkey season opens in a few weeks. Let's talk about this so called macho thing of just going after the toms and not the hens. Non hunters should ask questions of hunters before they write this stuff, then they wouldn't look so bad.

See us hunter prefer to not shoot hens this time of year, because they are sitting on nests. One tom will breed with many hens, so one less tom won't matter much. But to kill a hen that is sitting on a nest is unacceptable. And for the record, hens are legal to kill during the fall hunts, so it's not really a macho thing as a practical thing.

When it comes to hunting turkeys, they are actually harder to hunt then deer. If turkeys had the sense of smell deer have, you wouldn't get close to them. But turkeys rely on their eyesight. A turkey's vision compared to ours is like looking through 10 power binoculars. Which means even the slightest movement is seen and the turkey goes the other way.

Oh and just for Ante since I'm sure he posted this thread just for little old me.

Hunting sounds like terrorism.

Dumpster diving sounds like eating out of a landfill. :mrgreen:

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For those interested in hearing both sides:

"The politically Incorrect Guide to Hunting" by Frank Miniter.

Does a pretty fair job of investigating how hunting impacts the enviroment and people. There's amusing reporting on the activities of something called 'Wounded bear rescue' during the Dec 2005 bear hunt. Even more telling was how the media behaved during same. Eye-opening reading, for those not afraid of the whole truth.


Ante: still not up to answering my question? Why is hunting by humans considered terrorism, but a wolf eatting a deer alive not?


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The title of your thread....Sounds like Idiocy!

From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:

terrorism: n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law:

terrorism: n. the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion


Let's see. How does hunting fit these definitions of terrorism? It isn't unlawful. It isn't done against persons or property for the purpose of coercing government or society. It isn't politically motivated. Doesn't seem to fit very well does it? A word of advice Ante: If you intend to use a certain word, learn it's proper meaning before using it! Failure to do so can really make you look like a jackass.

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